Forget about Porsche or BMW. Here's the future...

http://www.automobilemag.com/reviews...ine/index.html

 

I hear that every time Nissan builds a new Skyline, and Im continually under-impressed by the car, as-delivered. Way too much money for not enough content.

 

If 3900lbs. 450HP cars for $85K is the future then I'll just stay in the past with the light weight more powerful Porsches, Corvettes, and BMWs.

 

I wonder if it'll be the same front tire eating, six speed tranny grenading, etc... car the 350Z is?

 

I feel the same way. In the $50K's I would be excited about it, but at $80K it gets put in a whole new league. AWD turbo 4's (STI/EVO) are in the $30K's, I could justify a 15-20K bump to step up to an AWD turbo 6 and more luxury, but an extra $50K is too much.

 

I am interested in seeing what it can do and I pretty much like the way it looks, but I wouldn't call it "the future" (except that it isn't out yet).

David

 

The next in a long series of victims crushed by the mighty Corvette.

 

I think you hit the nail right on the head. I see it as a modern day VR4, $50K is were it should be.

 

For $85K, you could buy a new C6, a Mustang ragtop, and have $$ left over for mods.

 

Bert, you just don't get it. There are other reasons to buy a sportscar beyond price and performance.

See, you'll get all the prestige and panache of a... erm... Nissan... also...

 

I love it when people derride a car based only on conjecture, rumor and other "facts"!

If the next GT-R can set another track recored or even get near the flat 7 second mark at Nurburgring as the article suggests it would be a significant accomplishment; even the vaunted Porsche Carrera GT is at 7:28.

 

As opposed to talking a car up based only on conjecture, rumor, and other "facts":

And if your grandmother had wheels, she'd be a wagon...

'Cause 450hp and 3200 lbs. won't get a 7 flat unless you drive across the infield. And this here vehicle is going to clock in well north of 3200 lbs...

But, like I said, there are so many other reasons to buy this car.

 

Even if the car has 500 hp, how the hell will it get near a 7 flat if the 610 hp and far lighter (based on the 3800-3900 lbs being quoted recently for the Skyline) Carrera GT is at 7:28? That car was more or less a race car converted into a road car...

Even if it has 550 hp and only comes in at 3500 lbs (which is about where a current RWD G35 coupe is, I think), it would still have a lot of ground to cover to approach a Carrera GT...

 

People underestimated the R-34 in the same way they are underestimating the as yet non-existing version...derriding a car about which almost nothing is known at all is as pointless in this thread as it was in the similar threads started last week.

Also, traversing a race course is much more than just a function of HP/Tq/curb weight...they are certainly an important part of but not the whole formula...I don't know if the GT-R can do it or not let alone how but the point is, no one else (save the development team) knows either and they aren't talking.

Ultimately, I doubt that it will matter what numbers the GT-R finally produces as many who post here routinely dismiss out of hand any data from any source if they don't like what the data implies!

 

Rob give it up. If a mid engined 600+ hp light weight Porche can't make it under 7:20 what are the odds that any heavier, lowered powered, less balanced car can? Seriously. The GTR while being a great car won't out run a true supercar. It just ain't going to happen.