2008 Nissan Skyline
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People underestimated the R-34 in the same way they are underestimating the as yet non-existing version...derriding a car about which almost nothing is known at all is as pointless in this thread as it was in the similar threads started last week.
Also, traversing a race course is much more than just a function of HP/Tq/curb weight...they are certainly an important part of but not the whole formula...I don't know if the GT-R can do it or not let alone how but the point is, no one else (save the development team) knows either and they aren't talking.
Ultimately, I doubt that it will matter what numbers the GT-R finally produces as many who post here routinely dismiss out of hand any data from any source if they don't like what the data implies!
Also, traversing a race course is much more than just a function of HP/Tq/curb weight...they are certainly an important part of but not the whole formula...I don't know if the GT-R can do it or not let alone how but the point is, no one else (save the development team) knows either and they aren't talking.
Ultimately, I doubt that it will matter what numbers the GT-R finally produces as many who post here routinely dismiss out of hand any data from any source if they don't like what the data implies!
http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2...07/145041.html
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Did you see the show on Speed where Chevy's race prepped Cobalt whipped the rae prepped Skyline?
http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2...07/145041.html
http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2...07/145041.html
Was it a Skyline or a Skyline GT-R (there are several configurations of Skyline you know)?
Regardless of the comparison, given a choice between a GT-R and a Cobalt I'd take the GT-R any day!
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I'm not saying it will or that it can - what I'm saying is we know nothing about the GT-R's curb weight or HP or TQ or handling specs (or much of anything else for that matter) so perhaps it woudl be prudent to table the performance assumptions until there are at least some known facts to base the assumptions on.
The GTR will most likely NOT have more than 550 hp, I think everyone will agree on that.
The GTR will most likely NOT weigh less than 3200 lbs. Again something that I think we can all agree with.
The GTR will not have better weight distribution than the Carerra GT. Again something reasonable.
The GTR will have AWD and AWS which will help on a road course like the ring, and it will likely have a well tuned suspension and brakes system. BUT it will likely be tuned for more touring oriented driving than the out and out race setup on the Porche in question.
Given that the above are true, and I think we can all agree that they are, does ANYONE even possibly think the Skyline GTR will be faster than the Carerra GT around the Ring?
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Check your link; all I get is a grey block where it looks like an article shoudl be.
Was it a Skyline or a Skyline GT-R (there are several configurations of Skyline you know)?
Regardless of the comparison, given a choice between a GT-R and a Cobalt I'd take the GT-R any day!
Was it a Skyline or a Skyline GT-R (there are several configurations of Skyline you know)?
Regardless of the comparison, given a choice between a GT-R and a Cobalt I'd take the GT-R any day!
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Cobalt SS Supercharged Wins 'Street Tuner Challenge'
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Besting a 600 HP Nissan Skyline and nitrous-charged Volkswagen Jetta
BUTTONWILLOW, California - Timing is everything, and the timing of the new Cobalt SS Supercharged's introduction couldn't be better. As Chevy's new sport compact performance car debuts in dealer showrooms, it already has a record-setting pedigree. Driver John Heinricy piloted a race-prepared Cobalt SS Supercharged on a challenging road course at the Buttonwillow Raceway Park, besting both the legendary Nissan Skyline and the new Volkswagen Jetta by more than seven seconds. The Cobalt SS, which is based on Chevy's new factory-built front-wheel-drive Super Sport, posted a time of 1:58 around Buttonwillow's #13 track configuration, which was fast enough to eclipse the marks set by the All-Wheel-Drive, twin-turbo Skyline (2:05) and the nitrous-charged Jetta (2:07).
"It was an absolute blast to run the Cobalt SS flat-out on the Buttonwillow track," said Heinricy, current SCCA driving champion and GM Performance Division's Director of High Performance Vehicle Operations. "GM Performance Division and the Powell Motorsports crew gave me a perfectly prepared car, and the Ecotec engine ran flawlessly."
A television crew from Speed Channel's Street Tuner Challenge was on hand to direct the day's competition at the track. The Street Tuner Challenge chose three vehicle makes representing North America (Chevrolet Cobalt SS), Europe (Volkswagen Jetta) and Asia (Nissan Skyline) and followed each team throughout a 13 week build competition. The Cobalt build team was comprised of engineers and designers from the GM Performance Division and Powell Motorsports, while the Nissan Skyline was built by XS Engineering and the Jetta was assembled by Autobahn Designs. The final time attack race served as the build completion and the culmination of pee Channel's taping. .
The production Cobalt SS Supercharged has strong performance credentials in factory trim. Powered by a supercharged and intercooled 205-horsepower, 2.0-liter Ecotec DOHC four-cylinder engine and equipped with a tenacious suspension developed on Germany's famed Nurburgring race track, the production Cobalt SS Supercharged will bring more heat to the already red-hot sport compact segment.
GM Performance Division created the Cobalt SS for this time attack competition to demonstrate the ultimate capabilities of the four-cylinder, supercharged Ecotec engine and Chevy's new front-wheel-drive "tuner" car. The program was led by the GM Performance Division, in collaboration with Chevrolet, GM Powertrain, GM Performance Parts, and GM Design. Powell Motorsports, in Blackstock, Ontario, Canada provided vehicle preparation and logistical support for the successful assault on the time attack.
"The Cobalt SS surpassed every expectation we had going into this competition," said GM Performance Division Executive Director Mark Reuss. "We came to Buttonwillow to demonstrate the performance and reliability of the Ecotec engine on one of the most demanding tracks in the world. The Cobalt SS, driver John Heinricy, and the entire team performed to the highest standards. We're out here to be the best, and today we proved that Chevy and GM race to win."
Enthusiasts will be able to catch a live glimpse of the Time Attack Cobalt SS Supercharged this November at the Specialty Equipment Market Association (SEMA) show in Las Vegas. It will also run on Tuesday, November 8, 2005 in Super Street magazine's Time Attack at Buttonwillow Raceway Park.
Time Attack Cobalt SS Supercharged Specifications
Body/chassis structure:
Uni-body
Body material:
Two sided galvanized steel, carbon fiber doors, hood, decklid, rear wing, front splitter, roof
Chassis material:
Two sided galvanized steel, carbon fiber roof
Suspension
Front:
Macpherson strut, no front bar, increased spring rates, Ohlins adjustable struts
Rear:
Twisting beam with adjustable sway bar, increased spring rate, Ohlins adjustable shocks
Wheels:
9.5 x 18, 9.5 x 17
Tire size
Front:
245 40 17
Rear:
Same as front
Tire brand:
Hoosier DOT
Brakes:
111.6 / 296 x 1.02 / 26; vented discs front 0.6 / 270 x .55 / 14; solid discs
Powertrain
Engine:
ECOTEC LSJ Supercharged
With Stage 2 Kit:
Larger injectors, 77.9 mm pulley
Engine displacement (cu. in / cc):
2000 cc
Horsepower maximum (hp / kw):
265 hp (SAE)
Torque maximum (lbs-ft / Nm)
270 lb-ft
Transmission:
F35 5 spd mt with 4.45 final drive
Dimensions
Height (in / mm):
55.7
Length (in / mm):
180.3
Width (in / mm):
67.9
Wheelbase (in / mm):
103.3
Track
Front/rear (in / mm):
57.1/58.1 nominal
Weight (lbs / kg):
2300 lbs
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Cobalt SS Supercharged Wins 'Street Tuner Challenge'
PHOTO (select to view enlarged photo)
Besting a 600 HP Nissan Skyline and nitrous-charged Volkswagen Jetta
BUTTONWILLOW, California - Timing is everything, and the timing of the new Cobalt SS Supercharged's introduction couldn't be better. As Chevy's new sport compact performance car debuts in dealer showrooms, it already has a record-setting pedigree. Driver John Heinricy piloted a race-prepared Cobalt SS Supercharged on a challenging road course at the Buttonwillow Raceway Park, besting both the legendary Nissan Skyline and the new Volkswagen Jetta by more than seven seconds. The Cobalt SS, which is based on Chevy's new factory-built front-wheel-drive Super Sport, posted a time of 1:58 around Buttonwillow's #13 track configuration, which was fast enough to eclipse the marks set by the All-Wheel-Drive, twin-turbo Skyline (2:05) and the nitrous-charged Jetta (2:07).
"It was an absolute blast to run the Cobalt SS flat-out on the Buttonwillow track," said Heinricy, current SCCA driving champion and GM Performance Division's Director of High Performance Vehicle Operations. "GM Performance Division and the Powell Motorsports crew gave me a perfectly prepared car, and the Ecotec engine ran flawlessly."
A television crew from Speed Channel's Street Tuner Challenge was on hand to direct the day's competition at the track. The Street Tuner Challenge chose three vehicle makes representing North America (Chevrolet Cobalt SS), Europe (Volkswagen Jetta) and Asia (Nissan Skyline) and followed each team throughout a 13 week build competition. The Cobalt build team was comprised of engineers and designers from the GM Performance Division and Powell Motorsports, while the Nissan Skyline was built by XS Engineering and the Jetta was assembled by Autobahn Designs. The final time attack race served as the build completion and the culmination of pee Channel's taping. .
The production Cobalt SS Supercharged has strong performance credentials in factory trim. Powered by a supercharged and intercooled 205-horsepower, 2.0-liter Ecotec DOHC four-cylinder engine and equipped with a tenacious suspension developed on Germany's famed Nurburgring race track, the production Cobalt SS Supercharged will bring more heat to the already red-hot sport compact segment.
GM Performance Division created the Cobalt SS for this time attack competition to demonstrate the ultimate capabilities of the four-cylinder, supercharged Ecotec engine and Chevy's new front-wheel-drive "tuner" car. The program was led by the GM Performance Division, in collaboration with Chevrolet, GM Powertrain, GM Performance Parts, and GM Design. Powell Motorsports, in Blackstock, Ontario, Canada provided vehicle preparation and logistical support for the successful assault on the time attack.
"The Cobalt SS surpassed every expectation we had going into this competition," said GM Performance Division Executive Director Mark Reuss. "We came to Buttonwillow to demonstrate the performance and reliability of the Ecotec engine on one of the most demanding tracks in the world. The Cobalt SS, driver John Heinricy, and the entire team performed to the highest standards. We're out here to be the best, and today we proved that Chevy and GM race to win."
Enthusiasts will be able to catch a live glimpse of the Time Attack Cobalt SS Supercharged this November at the Specialty Equipment Market Association (SEMA) show in Las Vegas. It will also run on Tuesday, November 8, 2005 in Super Street magazine's Time Attack at Buttonwillow Raceway Park.
Time Attack Cobalt SS Supercharged Specifications
Body/chassis structure:
Uni-body
Body material:
Two sided galvanized steel, carbon fiber doors, hood, decklid, rear wing, front splitter, roof
Chassis material:
Two sided galvanized steel, carbon fiber roof
Suspension
Front:
Macpherson strut, no front bar, increased spring rates, Ohlins adjustable struts
Rear:
Twisting beam with adjustable sway bar, increased spring rate, Ohlins adjustable shocks
Wheels:
9.5 x 18, 9.5 x 17
Tire size
Front:
245 40 17
Rear:
Same as front
Tire brand:
Hoosier DOT
Brakes:
111.6 / 296 x 1.02 / 26; vented discs front 0.6 / 270 x .55 / 14; solid discs
Powertrain
Engine:
ECOTEC LSJ Supercharged
With Stage 2 Kit:
Larger injectors, 77.9 mm pulley
Engine displacement (cu. in / cc):
2000 cc
Horsepower maximum (hp / kw):
265 hp (SAE)
Torque maximum (lbs-ft / Nm)
270 lb-ft
Transmission:
F35 5 spd mt with 4.45 final drive
Dimensions
Height (in / mm):
55.7
Length (in / mm):
180.3
Width (in / mm):
67.9
Wheelbase (in / mm):
103.3
Track
Front/rear (in / mm):
57.1/58.1 nominal
Weight (lbs / kg):
2300 lbs
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Re: 2008 Nissan Skyline
...and I'd also take a GT-R over a Cobalt, heck I'd be fine with a 350Z. (RWD>*
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91_z28_4me,
Granted your assumptions are reasonable.
Can it knock off the Carerra GT? Probably not.
Can it knock off a few of the others near the top? Maybe; I guess we'll just have to wait and see but ultimatley, who the hell knows?
What I do know is that I want one!
Granted your assumptions are reasonable.
Can it knock off the Carerra GT? Probably not.
Can it knock off a few of the others near the top? Maybe; I guess we'll just have to wait and see but ultimatley, who the hell knows?
What I do know is that I want one!
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Re: 2008 Nissan Skyline
The Skyline during its time was a revolutionary car. The coming GTR is being developed to Rival the Porsche 911 Turbo for a price of $70k. I think its well worth it. Plus, when the Japanese say they are making the car to go 0-60 in 3.8, u better believe them. Lets wait and see before we diss the car.
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The Skyline during its time was a revolutionary car. The coming GTR is being developed to Rival the Porsche 911 Turbo for a price of $70k. I think its well worth it. Plus, when the Japanese say they are making the car to go 0-60 in 3.8, u better believe them. Lets wait and see before we diss the car.
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Re: 2008 Nissan Skyline
Did you see the show on Speed where Chevy's race prepped Cobalt whipped the rae prepped Skyline?
http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2...07/145041.html
http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2...07/145041.html
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Frankly, if you don't, can't or won't understand that there are reasons for desiring a vehicle thtat go far beyond performance statisticts then it's your loss.
Last edited by Robert_Nashville; Oct 18, 2006 at 10:27 AM.
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Awww hell...
I'm eating lunch right now and the milk I was drinking just done came out of my nose and got all over the keyboard...