steve2002

Nothing to be proud of.

PacerX

Sigh...

That from a guy who drives a Ranger. I'd buy a Ford, but am forced to decline the required labotomy to do so.


EDIT: At least the Ranger is a step up from the Tacoma. Toyota + truck = weaksauce.

Darth Xed

GN1270

First, if you do a poll and want to be taken somewhat seriously I would suggest being a little more fair in the process.

Second, here are Motor Trends comparison numbers comparing it to the CTS-V and GTO . Don't know why you insisted on comparing to the STS-V When The CTS-V compares better.

GTO: around 34 K
CTS-V: 51,295
SRT-8: 43,295

Curb Weight
GTO: 3765
CTS-V: 3875
SRT-8: 4190 (oink oink oink)

0-60 times
GTO 5.0
SRT-8 4.9
CTS-V 4.7

0-100 times
GTO 11.9
SRT-8 11.7
CTS-V 11.1

Quarter mile
GTO 13.3 @ 107.5
SRT-8 13.2 @ 108.1
CTS-V 13.1 @ 109.8

Braking 60-0
GTO 121 ft
SRT-8 113 ft
CTS-V 111 ft

200 ft skidpad
GTO 0.85g
SRT-8 0.88g
CTS-V 0.90g

600 ft slalom
GTO 63.6 mph
CTS-V 66.8 mph
SRT-8 67.3 mph

I know alot of people that would refuse to buy a Chrysler product at any cost. Also, In your comparison, does the SRT-8 come loaded? The only option on the V is the sunroof. The CTS-V is priced about $7k over a loaded CTS. Finally there are looks, There are alot of people that think that the Chrylsler 300 is a horrible looking car. Seems that Chryler desighns are alot like that. Love it or hate it. I think Chrylsler would fair alot better if they get rid of that damn Hillbillie Image that I still can't beleive they are embracing with the Hemi retards.

falchulk

Thats Dodge they are using the redneck card for, not Chrysler. So far its worked quite well. Anything with a hemi is hot right now.

GN1270

I don't think the average car buyer differenciates between dodge and Chrysler. Both use the Hemo motor and have seen the hick Hemi commercials. The word Hemi will bring the average car buyer to think of those commercials. I like the commercials, I think they are funny, Its the average joe looking for a car. I thought since Chryslers image has always been a lower priced car with lower quality, that they would try to shake that image with Benz taking them over. JMHO though.

OBTW,back to the orig post. GM is not making $25k profit off any single car, and I don't think Chrysler can build the same quality car $25k cheaper.

muckz

Here is some interesting information I cannot understand fully:

GTO is 100 lbs lighter than CTSv. Both cars have 400 HP, yet CTSv traps 2 mph faster and 2/10 quicker. What gives? Is there really 20 - 30 HP of difference in actual motor output?

PacerX

The Wreath and Crest automagically imparts higher horsepower... kinda like extra stickers on a ricer... but different.

Z28x

The LS2 is acutally a stonger engine than the CTSv's LS6, more torque across the RPM range which makes it even weirder.

The reason is either what PacerX says or better tires on the CTSv CTSv also has a little better gearing (3.73 vs. 3.46)

falchulk

Thats like saying that no one knows the diffrence between chevy and caddy becuase they both use the ls6!

GN1270

My buddie is a sales mgr for a Dodge dealership out on Cape Cod. He told me he wished he had a dollar for everyone that stopped in looking to see if they had 300's in stock. People know the difference between Gm brands, they do not know Mopar products as well. Oh and your comparison is horrible. I've never seen a commercial for GM that even mentions the words LS6 so i'm not so sure how the average car buyer would know what the heck an LS6 is, not the same for Chrysler's Hemi.

stereomandan

Chrysler/Dodge is about the last car company that I would ever by from. I may even buy foreign before I'd have to own a Chrysler product.

So if I had to buy the STS-V for $75k or the 300C SRT-8 for $40k, I'd buy the..... $32k GTO.

Dan

steve2002

My Ranger gets the job done.
At least its not an old fat bald mans car, like...oh...say a Corvette / Cadillac.


I swear, you just reminded me of my drive this morning. I'm driving down the street, and below me to the left is a Corvette. Yes, I'm in my Ranger and its raining pretty good out here. I saw puddles in my lane, and I couldn't resist...I baptised this guy for about 1/4 mile every time he tried to pass me oh and I took the mudflaps off when i first got the truck

Yeah...Corvette...when my ***** shrinks and I'm fat old and ugly...I guess I'll follow the sheep. Or, since I'm young now...til my skin isn't superdark, and I'm not a wigger, and I'm not into the street-bling-bling stylings, I'll stay away from Cadillacs also.

But hey, I'm very happy with my daily bucket (my expensive beater)...are you? Have a nice say

guionM

If this poll were worded in a less obviously biased way, I could easily see the point being made here.

Cadillac is almost desparate to have a $100,000 car whether it's worth it or not. They've made it clear for the past 2 years that's their intention. If the STSv is going for 75 large, I have to ask what on earth is in the water over at Caddy's marketing people's cooler.

I can swallow a $50,000 CTSv because Chrysler's 'C' has a lowball price. Heck, the 300C stickers $5-8 grand lower than Buick's top cars, and they're FWD V6s!

But let's be real. Is anyone with $75,000 to burn on a car going to get a Cadillac STSv over a Mercedes or BMW? Especially if regular STSs are $25,000 cheaper? And although the average customer probally doesn't know it, I have a problem with the same chassis being used for a $75,000 car that's under a $30,000 one in the form of a base CTS V6.

Also: does anyone actually, possibly, remotely, reasonably, sanely, in the deepest darkest recesses of their subconcious, wishful thinking mind even think that GM is going to put discounts, rebates, 0% financing, free toasters, a trip to Disneyland, or any other incentives on a $75,000 car?

Doubtful.

steve2002

I've seen a resurgence in new Cadillacs with their SUV lines. They might be on a comeback (name value). I'm with you that they won't need to push their high end cars. Most people willing to pay that much will be happy to get their MSRP knocked down a bit, and if they're paying that much for a car, they're into the image anyways.
I'd love to find a website with actual sales figures from all manufacturers myself. I"ve never come across any.