View Poll Results: Which car would you prefer?
I'd buy the Chrysler SRT-8 and have enough money left over for a regular 300C.
36
78.26%
I'll pay anything GM asks for any Cadillac, any time, anywhere.....
10
21.74%
Voters: 46. You may not vote on this poll
$39,995 Chrysler 300C SRT-8 vs. $75,000+ Cadillac STS-V
#1
$39,995 Chrysler 300C SRT-8 vs. $75,000+ Cadillac STS-V
The big question is whether the Cadillac STS-V is worth a full $35K more than the SRT-8? I'd say that the answer can only be NO!
The Chrysler SRT-8 is a more spacious car, has standard 20" rims (a first for a production sedan) and a proven Mercedes-designed transmission. What the Cadillac has on it's side is more prestige behind its nameplate, GM's new 6L80E 6-speed slushbox (finally!) and a very minor 15 horsepower/10 lb/ft torque advantage.
I guess the choice is between a SRT-8 ($40K) PLUS a standard 300C ($33K+)or a single Cadillac STS-V for $75,000+.
The Chrysler SRT-8 is a more spacious car, has standard 20" rims (a first for a production sedan) and a proven Mercedes-designed transmission. What the Cadillac has on it's side is more prestige behind its nameplate, GM's new 6L80E 6-speed slushbox (finally!) and a very minor 15 horsepower/10 lb/ft torque advantage.
I guess the choice is between a SRT-8 ($40K) PLUS a standard 300C ($33K+)or a single Cadillac STS-V for $75,000+.
Last edited by redzed; 12-31-2004 at 12:42 PM.
#3
Re: $39,995 Chrysler 300C SRT-8 vs. $75,000+ Cadillac STS-V
The words you use for the Cadillac choice are BS man
I would want the much cooler looking Cadillac , hands down and would not buy the 300 . Sorry if thats what all the new found DCX nuthuggers dont wanna here . Is that how its gonna be around here now , is every ****ing new car gonna be subject to holy 300 , at all price ranges , in all segmants
I didnt vote , because I would not pay anything caddy asked at any time aaaaaand at 40K , theres much cooler options on the market other than a 300 SRT-8 . There'd be a used Audi S4 in my garage over a SRT-8
I would want the much cooler looking Cadillac , hands down and would not buy the 300 . Sorry if thats what all the new found DCX nuthuggers dont wanna here . Is that how its gonna be around here now , is every ****ing new car gonna be subject to holy 300 , at all price ranges , in all segmants
I didnt vote , because I would not pay anything caddy asked at any time aaaaaand at 40K , theres much cooler options on the market other than a 300 SRT-8 . There'd be a used Audi S4 in my garage over a SRT-8
Last edited by 90 Z28SS; 12-31-2004 at 02:09 PM.
#5
Re: $39,995 Chrysler 300C SRT-8 vs. $75,000+ Cadillac STS-V
Before you dismiss the Caddy, just remember how bad DC's quality has been over time. In the last 5 years it has been very bad, only just now showing better signs of improving.
#6
Re: $39,995 Chrysler 300C SRT-8 vs. $75,000+ Cadillac STS-V
Originally Posted by redzed
The big question is whether the Cadillac STS-V is worth a full $35K more than the SRT-8? I'd say that the answer can only be NO!
The Chrysler SRT-8 is a more spacious car, has standard 20" rims (a first for a production sedan) and a proven Mercedes-designed transmission. What the Cadillac has on it's side is more prestige behind its nameplate, GM's new 6L80E 6-speed slushbox (finally!) and a very minor 15 horsepower/10 lb/ft torque advantage.
I guess the choice is between a SRT-8 ($40K) PLUS a standard 300C ($33K+)or a single Cadillac STS-V for $75,000+.
The Chrysler SRT-8 is a more spacious car, has standard 20" rims (a first for a production sedan) and a proven Mercedes-designed transmission. What the Cadillac has on it's side is more prestige behind its nameplate, GM's new 6L80E 6-speed slushbox (finally!) and a very minor 15 horsepower/10 lb/ft torque advantage.
I guess the choice is between a SRT-8 ($40K) PLUS a standard 300C ($33K+)or a single Cadillac STS-V for $75,000+.
#7
Re: $39,995 Chrysler 300C SRT-8 vs. $75,000+ Cadillac STS-V
Originally Posted by Magnum Force
Maybe you'd make a better comparison matching up the SRT-8 and the CTS-V, OR the STS-V versus an equivalent $75,000 Benz-Bimmer.....right now the choices are flat-out illogical
Also, things do not look good if you compare the STS-V to the M5. Cadillac has their CTS positioned against the 3 series and the STS positioned against the 5 series. The problem is, they think customers will gladly pay just as much for a Cadillac as they will for BMW or Mercedes, when that is not going to happen any time soon. This seems to ba happening more and more, GM doesn't realize that they can't just jump into a market and say "Look, car is great, pay premium price for it!" without paying their dues and proving their cars are great at a great price for a while. GM dug their own hole but they don't want to climb out.
Honestly, the SRT-8 comes out as a pretty high value car, and the CTS-V and STS-V are both great cars, but priced a bit high for their target markets. Prices aren't bringing any people into showrooms, that's for sure.
#8
Re: $39,995 Chrysler 300C SRT-8 vs. $75,000+ Cadillac STS-V
Originally Posted by MunchE
If the SRT-8 doesn't compare to the STS, what does it compare to?
Also, things do not look good if you compare the STS-V to the M5. Cadillac has their CTS positioned against the 3 series and the STS positioned against the 5 series. The problem is, they think customers will gladly pay just as much for a Cadillac as they will for BMW or Mercedes, when that is not going to happen any time soon. This seems to ba happening more and more, GM doesn't realize that they can't just jump into a market and say "Look, car is great, pay premium price for it!" without paying their dues and proving their cars are great at a great price for a while. GM dug their own hole but they don't want to climb out.
Honestly, the SRT-8 comes out as a pretty high value car, and the CTS-V and STS-V are both great cars, but priced a bit high for their target markets. Prices aren't bringing any people into showrooms, that's for sure.
Also, things do not look good if you compare the STS-V to the M5. Cadillac has their CTS positioned against the 3 series and the STS positioned against the 5 series. The problem is, they think customers will gladly pay just as much for a Cadillac as they will for BMW or Mercedes, when that is not going to happen any time soon. This seems to ba happening more and more, GM doesn't realize that they can't just jump into a market and say "Look, car is great, pay premium price for it!" without paying their dues and proving their cars are great at a great price for a while. GM dug their own hole but they don't want to climb out.
Honestly, the SRT-8 comes out as a pretty high value car, and the CTS-V and STS-V are both great cars, but priced a bit high for their target markets. Prices aren't bringing any people into showrooms, that's for sure.
#10
Re: $39,995 Chrysler 300C SRT-8 vs. $75,000+ Cadillac STS-V
If I had the coin to drop on a STSv I'd buy that, then I'd buy a CTSv and an Escalade EXT with a two-car enclosed trailer to pull them both to road courses in.
That wasnt an option though.
That wasnt an option though.
#11
Re: $39,995 Chrysler 300C SRT-8 vs. $75,000+ Cadillac STS-V
Originally Posted by Magnum Force
hmmm...i was actually thinking about comparing it with something in a similar price range??? everything being equal, it's a pretty big gap between $40k and $75k...and since the title of the poll is "$39,995 Chrysler 300C SRT-8 vs. $75,000+ Cadillac STS-V", I'm guessing that redzed wanted us to take price into account..Just because of the fact that they are big luxury sedans with high HP, comparing the two makes as much sense as comparing a Miata and a Viper because they are both open topped sports cars
How about this, what's the difference? What does the STS-V offer that the SRT-8 doesn't? I imagine the SRT might be lacking in the luxury features department, and I don't know, I haven't researched it. I'd be glad to be enlightened on this, but on the surface, it looks like the classic situation where the cool domestic does everything the other guys do for less money, how GM used to be once upon a time.
SRT-8 and STS-V are both full sized, luxury sedans with similar horsepower and weight ratings. What's the difference in the 2 cars? I'd love to know.
#12
Re: $39,995 Chrysler 300C SRT-8 vs. $75,000+ Cadillac STS-V
Originally Posted by MunchE
SRT-8 and STS-V are both full sized, luxury sedans with similar horsepower and weight ratings. What's the difference in the 2 cars? I'd love to know.
granted, on paper, the SRT-8 at least seems to be a better value for the $$$, but for the $75k buyer that isn't interested in the STS, he or she is much more likely to buy a different car in the $75 range (Benz-Bimmer) then stepping down and 'saving' $35k....And yes, many people will buy the Caddy at just about any price, if it truly is a great car...At some point in time, people in the upper-class become wealthy to the point where they don't care about trying to make a 'deal' or get 'value' for their cars, and all they want is something that looks distinctive and exclusive...hell, I've known people who burned 80 grand on a new car just as a point of pride--just to say to others at parties that "My new car cost 80 grand"
#13
Re: $39,995 Chrysler 300C SRT-8 vs. $75,000+ Cadillac STS-V
Do you think one will be able to step in a Chrysler dealer and pay $39,995 for a SRT-8, I doubt it. On the other hand do you really think the STS-V will be over $75K, I doubt it. As far as the regular STS I am seeing them everywhere sales must be pretty good for this new sedan. As far as the STS-V's power I am sure it will see a power boost when the new 7.0L 500hp CTS-V comes out next year.
#14
Re: $39,995 Chrysler 300C SRT-8 vs. $75,000+ Cadillac STS-V
Originally Posted by Magnum Force
the difference is, at least in the marketplace, is that the cars will NEVER be cross-shopped by buyers...a buyer that can afford a $75k car won't compromise his/her principles for 40 grand, and vice-versa...most buyers shopping in the $40k range wouldn't dream about paying almost twice as much...
granted, on paper, the SRT-8 at least seems to be a better value for the $$$, but for the $75k buyer that isn't interested in the STS, he or she is much more likely to buy a different car in the $75 range (Benz-Bimmer) then stepping down and 'saving' $35k....And yes, many people will buy the Caddy at just about any price, if it truly is a great car...At some point in time, people in the upper-class become wealthy to the point where they don't care about trying to make a 'deal' or get 'value' for their cars, and all they want is something that looks distinctive and exclusive...hell, I've known people who burned 80 grand on a new car just as a point of pride--just to say to others at parties that "My new car cost 80 grand"
granted, on paper, the SRT-8 at least seems to be a better value for the $$$, but for the $75k buyer that isn't interested in the STS, he or she is much more likely to buy a different car in the $75 range (Benz-Bimmer) then stepping down and 'saving' $35k....And yes, many people will buy the Caddy at just about any price, if it truly is a great car...At some point in time, people in the upper-class become wealthy to the point where they don't care about trying to make a 'deal' or get 'value' for their cars, and all they want is something that looks distinctive and exclusive...hell, I've known people who burned 80 grand on a new car just as a point of pride--just to say to others at parties that "My new car cost 80 grand"
You have to admit.....your argument is really a s-t-r-e-t-c-h.