What kind of engine is this?? need help
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What kind of engine is this?? need help
Im need some help on this engine because Im swapping out my 94 3.4L engine and putting this engine in soon. Is there any other name for it and I know it has 330 Hp. Does any one know if it is as powerful as an LS1, and should i expect good 1/4 times when I swap this engine in? thanks for any replies. here is the web sight for this engine. http://www.paceparts.com/product.asp?0=239&1=241&3=886
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Right under the picture it's called a 350 HO crate engine
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or check out the race car
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Best ET on a time slip: 11.589
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Best corrected ET: 11.079
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Best 60 foot: 1.646
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For "street" or "track"?
The usual cautions for a Gen 1 smallblock in a 4th Gen chassis for the street... the distributor will be under the cowl, you will have to run a conventional HEI ignition, pretty much throw away the computer, if carb'd will never pass any sort of contemporary emissions. Carb/intake will be very high, require a special hood. Or you will need to find a way to put an aftermarket FI setup on the Vortec heads. FI setup will cost more than the crate engine. It will be very heavy with those cast iron heads... the low 9.1:1 CR is giving away more than a full point to the LS1 and even more than that to the LT1.
It can be done and has been done, but there is more of a payout in a "track" engine in using the Gen 1 SBC, IMHO.
You would be far better off finding a nice low $$ LT1 car and rebuilding the engine with heads/cam. Or, buying a complete LT1/PCM/harness and installing it in your chassis if there is some unusual emotional attachment or a sizable investment in appearance mods that you can't let go of.
Have you run this by anyone on the V6 board... I am sure most of them have played with the idea at one time or another.
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The usual cautions for a Gen 1 smallblock in a 4th Gen chassis for the street... the distributor will be under the cowl, you will have to run a conventional HEI ignition, pretty much throw away the computer, if carb'd will never pass any sort of contemporary emissions. Carb/intake will be very high, require a special hood. Or you will need to find a way to put an aftermarket FI setup on the Vortec heads. FI setup will cost more than the crate engine. It will be very heavy with those cast iron heads... the low 9.1:1 CR is giving away more than a full point to the LS1 and even more than that to the LT1.
It can be done and has been done, but there is more of a payout in a "track" engine in using the Gen 1 SBC, IMHO.
You would be far better off finding a nice low $$ LT1 car and rebuilding the engine with heads/cam. Or, buying a complete LT1/PCM/harness and installing it in your chassis if there is some unusual emotional attachment or a sizable investment in appearance mods that you can't let go of.
Have you run this by anyone on the V6 board... I am sure most of them have played with the idea at one time or another.
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Detailed Mod's List
11.513@115.59 on motor; 11.162@127.67, 1.643 60' on a 125-shot. Going with a 275-shot this year
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Injuneer 94FormM6:
For "street" or "track"?
The usual cautions for a Gen 1 smallblock in a 4th Gen chassis for the street... the distributor will be under the cowl, you will have to run a conventional HEI ignition, pretty much throw away the computer, if carb'd will never pass any sort of contemporary emissions. Carb/intake will be very high, require a special hood. Or you will need to find a way to put an aftermarket FI setup on the Vortec heads. FI setup will cost more than the crate engine. It will be very heavy with those cast iron heads... the low 9.1:1 CR is giving away more than a full point to the LS1 and even more than that to the LT1.
It can be done and has been done, but there is more of a payout in a "track" engine in using the Gen 1 SBC, IMHO.
You would be far better off finding a nice low $$ LT1 car and rebuilding the engine with heads/cam. Or, buying a complete LT1/PCM/harness and installing it in your chassis if there is some unusual emotional attachment or a sizable investment in appearance mods that you can't let go of.
Have you run this by anyone on the V6 board... I am sure most of them have played with the idea at one time or another.
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For "street" or "track"?
The usual cautions for a Gen 1 smallblock in a 4th Gen chassis for the street... the distributor will be under the cowl, you will have to run a conventional HEI ignition, pretty much throw away the computer, if carb'd will never pass any sort of contemporary emissions. Carb/intake will be very high, require a special hood. Or you will need to find a way to put an aftermarket FI setup on the Vortec heads. FI setup will cost more than the crate engine. It will be very heavy with those cast iron heads... the low 9.1:1 CR is giving away more than a full point to the LS1 and even more than that to the LT1.
It can be done and has been done, but there is more of a payout in a "track" engine in using the Gen 1 SBC, IMHO.
You would be far better off finding a nice low $$ LT1 car and rebuilding the engine with heads/cam. Or, buying a complete LT1/PCM/harness and installing it in your chassis if there is some unusual emotional attachment or a sizable investment in appearance mods that you can't let go of.
Have you run this by anyone on the V6 board... I am sure most of them have played with the idea at one time or another.
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heres my sudgestion for what its worth. i personally think its a wast of time and money to put one of those gen1 350s in a 4th gen for your type of use. Sell your v6 depending on where u live and condition of your car i see a v6 giong for 9k on auto trader, yet you can find z28 for less than that. So i would say sell yours buy a Z for around the same price or less then use that 2k+ you were going to spend on the motor and mod the Z. the only benefit i see of haveing the v8 in the v6 body is insurance, even though you are still paying more to drive a v6 camaro compared to a v6 camary be cause its classified as a sports car.
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OK.... seems like you've made up your mind. As far as how it compares to an LS1 engine, they don't specify the torque, so its not possible to tell. HP is good and the Vortec heads are very good out of the box, but you are limited on CR and you are limited on the valve sizes. It appears to be roughly equal to an LT1 with a healthy cam. Is that an LS1?
You need to budget for:
-intake (note Pace comment about earlier manifolds not fitting on Vortec heads)
-carb
-distributor
-balance of ignition
-fuel system (stock high pressure pump isn't what you want - note hole in front of block for mechanical fuel pump.)
-headers
-damper
-water pump
-flywheel or flexplate
-brackets/pulleys for alternator, p. steering (if you keep it), A/C (ditto).
-new front springs for increased engine weight. Shocks will need to match.
What are you going to use for a tranny?
Might need to check the motor mount issues... I think the LT1 mounts are "different".
Not sure if your V6 PCM will function without any input signals.... you need it for your speedometer.
What are you going to do about your 2-piece driveshaft?
Do you have the posi rear axle option on your car? If not, swap in the complete rear axle from a V8. That also nets you rear disc brakes if you don't have those on your V6.
Probably a few more "needs" but that might get you started.
Fred
[This message has been edited by Injuneer 94FormM6 (edited July 29, 2002).]
You need to budget for:
-intake (note Pace comment about earlier manifolds not fitting on Vortec heads)
-carb
-distributor
-balance of ignition
-fuel system (stock high pressure pump isn't what you want - note hole in front of block for mechanical fuel pump.)
-headers
-damper
-water pump
-flywheel or flexplate
-brackets/pulleys for alternator, p. steering (if you keep it), A/C (ditto).
-new front springs for increased engine weight. Shocks will need to match.
What are you going to use for a tranny?
Might need to check the motor mount issues... I think the LT1 mounts are "different".
Not sure if your V6 PCM will function without any input signals.... you need it for your speedometer.
What are you going to do about your 2-piece driveshaft?
Do you have the posi rear axle option on your car? If not, swap in the complete rear axle from a V8. That also nets you rear disc brakes if you don't have those on your V6.
Probably a few more "needs" but that might get you started.
Fred
[This message has been edited by Injuneer 94FormM6 (edited July 29, 2002).]
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Injuneer 94FormM6:
OK.... seems like you've made up your mind. As far as how it compares to an LS1 engine, they don't specify the torque, so its not possible to tell. HP is good and the Vortec heads are very good out of the box, but you are limited on CR and you are limited on the valve sizes. It appears to be roughly equal to an LT1 with a healthy cam. Is that an LS1?
You need to budget for:
-intake (note Pace comment about earlier manifolds not fitting on Vortec heads)
-carb
-distributor
-balance of ignition
-fuel system (stock high pressure pump isn't what you want - note hole in front of block for mechanical fuel pump.)
-headers
-damper
-water pump
-flywheel or flexplate
-brackets/pulleys for alternator, p. steering (if you keep it), A/C (ditto).
-new front springs for increased engine weight. Shocks will need to match.
What are you going to use for a tranny?
Might need to check the motor mount issues... I think the LT1 mounts are "different".
Not sure if your V6 PCM will function without any input signals.... you need it for your speedometer.
What are you going to do about your 2-piece driveshaft?
Do you have the posi rear axle option on your car? If not, swap in the complete rear axle from a V8. That also nets you rear disc brakes if you don't have those on your V6.
Probably a few more "needs" but that might get you started.
Fred
[This message has been edited by Injuneer 94FormM6 (edited July 29, 2002).]</font>
OK.... seems like you've made up your mind. As far as how it compares to an LS1 engine, they don't specify the torque, so its not possible to tell. HP is good and the Vortec heads are very good out of the box, but you are limited on CR and you are limited on the valve sizes. It appears to be roughly equal to an LT1 with a healthy cam. Is that an LS1?
You need to budget for:
-intake (note Pace comment about earlier manifolds not fitting on Vortec heads)
-carb
-distributor
-balance of ignition
-fuel system (stock high pressure pump isn't what you want - note hole in front of block for mechanical fuel pump.)
-headers
-damper
-water pump
-flywheel or flexplate
-brackets/pulleys for alternator, p. steering (if you keep it), A/C (ditto).
-new front springs for increased engine weight. Shocks will need to match.
What are you going to use for a tranny?
Might need to check the motor mount issues... I think the LT1 mounts are "different".
Not sure if your V6 PCM will function without any input signals.... you need it for your speedometer.
What are you going to do about your 2-piece driveshaft?
Do you have the posi rear axle option on your car? If not, swap in the complete rear axle from a V8. That also nets you rear disc brakes if you don't have those on your V6.
Probably a few more "needs" but that might get you started.
Fred
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I assume no responsibility for your choice... I still think you're going in the wrong direction. But I've been wrong before... many times 
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I don't know if my list is complete... those are just the thing that I could think of off the top of my head.
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.I don't know if my list is complete... those are just the thing that I could think of off the top of my head.
Fred
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Injuneer 94FormM6:
I assume no responsibility for your choice... I still think you're going in the wrong direction. But I've been wrong before... many times .
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I assume no responsibility for your choice... I still think you're going in the wrong direction. But I've been wrong before... many times
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I believe your going in the wrong direction because you will end up with a carbed, non-emmission car, that will have very little resale appeal. The swap will end up costing you 10 grand with parts and the labor of a quality shop, because you don't have enough mechanical knowledge to swap it youself.(Note: you asked what kind of engine it was. 
) You will have to buy a new transmission and driveshaft, which will cost you even more money.
BTW, no it will not be as fast an LS1. GM rates their crate engines using the "gross" HP method. LS1 and LT1 engines are rated in "net" HP. I don't have time to explain the differences in the HP ratings, suffice it to say that "net" HP will be considerably less than "gross" HP on the same exact engine. Rated in "net" HP this 330 HP crate engine would produce around 290 HP. Substantially less than a 345 HP "net" HP LS1 engine. You should be able to keep up with most STOCK LT1s, though.
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) You will have to buy a new transmission and driveshaft, which will cost you even more money. BTW, no it will not be as fast an LS1. GM rates their crate engines using the "gross" HP method. LS1 and LT1 engines are rated in "net" HP. I don't have time to explain the differences in the HP ratings, suffice it to say that "net" HP will be considerably less than "gross" HP on the same exact engine. Rated in "net" HP this 330 HP crate engine would produce around 290 HP. Substantially less than a 345 HP "net" HP LS1 engine. You should be able to keep up with most STOCK LT1s, though.
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by 94FBIRD:
I believe your going in the wrong direction because you will end up with a carbed, non-emmission car, that will have very little resale appeal. The swap will end up costing you 10 grand with parts and the labor of a quality shop, because you don't have enough mechanical knowledge to swap it youself.(Note: you asked what kind of engine it was. ) You will have to buy a new transmission and driveshaft, which will cost you even more money.
BTW, no it will not be as fast an LS1. GM rates their crate engines using the "gross" HP method. LS1 and LT1 engines are rated in "net" HP. I don't have time to explain the differences in the HP ratings, suffice it to say that "net" HP will be considerably less than "gross" HP on the same exact engine. Rated in "net" HP this 330 HP crate engine would produce around 290 HP. Substantially less than a 345 HP "net" HP LS1 engine. You should be able to keep up with most STOCK LT1s, though.
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I believe your going in the wrong direction because you will end up with a carbed, non-emmission car, that will have very little resale appeal. The swap will end up costing you 10 grand with parts and the labor of a quality shop, because you don't have enough mechanical knowledge to swap it youself.(Note: you asked what kind of engine it was.
) You will have to buy a new transmission and driveshaft, which will cost you even more money. BTW, no it will not be as fast an LS1. GM rates their crate engines using the "gross" HP method. LS1 and LT1 engines are rated in "net" HP. I don't have time to explain the differences in the HP ratings, suffice it to say that "net" HP will be considerably less than "gross" HP on the same exact engine. Rated in "net" HP this 330 HP crate engine would produce around 290 HP. Substantially less than a 345 HP "net" HP LS1 engine. You should be able to keep up with most STOCK LT1s, though.
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An LT1 swap will certainly help maintain the value of the car. However, be prepared for a difficult and costly swap. It's up to you. But add up the engine, trans, all accesories, driveshaft, exhaust, computer interface, and shop labor. Then add $1,000 for incidentals. Research this well before you make a decision.
