Gen I SBC vs. BBC in 4th gen.
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Originally Posted by Mindgame
When I broke my T56 I called around to quite a number of places looking for beefier parts. G-Force was pretty confident in recommending their beefed T56... claiming that it's "conservatively" rated for apps making 900hp. I bought the do-it-youself parts but not the tranny. Nice to know I could throw a 200hp shot on it if I ever wanted to. 
I think this project of Rich's would really be pushing the limits though. The manual trannies that do have the guts aren't going to make for pleasant shifting in a daily commuter. I used to have a weekend driver with a Jerico 4 speed in it. Wasn't too bad but man, I wouldn't want that in anything I had to drive through alot of traffic with. Strong tranny with violent full throttle shifts but not exactly driver friendly.
Rich,
Are you planning to go FI with this project? Gonna use a carb-type intake or something with a front-mount throttle body? If carb-type, the longblock crate motors might not be a bad idea.... although that 572 does have a tall deck....
-Mindgame
I think this project of Rich's would really be pushing the limits though. The manual trannies that do have the guts aren't going to make for pleasant shifting in a daily commuter. I used to have a weekend driver with a Jerico 4 speed in it. Wasn't too bad but man, I wouldn't want that in anything I had to drive through alot of traffic with. Strong tranny with violent full throttle shifts but not exactly driver friendly.
Rich,
Are you planning to go FI with this project? Gonna use a carb-type intake or something with a front-mount throttle body? If carb-type, the longblock crate motors might not be a bad idea.... although that 572 does have a tall deck....
-Mindgame
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Hey rich there was a guy a while back that was posting in the for sale section a complete SB2.2 modified for LT1 use top end package including fi modified intake and the SB2.2 headers, I believe he was asking $6500 for everything if I'm not mistaken ( don't quote me on that). But I bet you could more than reach your performance goals with that on top of a 383 or 396 block.
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All of these combos sound fun.i dont think ou can bbut everybody has a camaro w a 383 eat a big block for big power and reliability.after all there is no replacement for displacment.the biggest thing about the big block is there is not as much after market stuff like brackets and junk. ive had to fab alot.i mainly went big block because everybody has a 383 camaro.i just like to be diffrant.
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Rich,
Keep your eye out on Edelbrock. They've had their "Competition EFI" setups in the catalog for the last two years but I don't know if they've actually released anything yet??
Either way, they have a Super Victor EFI intake slated for release. Has all the workings minus fuel rails and throttle body. With Edelbrock's manufacturing capabilities, I don't doubt they could make this as an affordable offering... we'll just have to wait and see.
The LT1-style intake would be nice too, but something like that is going to set you back at least 3 grand. If it were me, this is the route I'd go because I just don't care for "where" the TB end up on these carbie intake conversions.... especially with the BBC.
Good luck.
-Mindgame
Keep your eye out on Edelbrock. They've had their "Competition EFI" setups in the catalog for the last two years but I don't know if they've actually released anything yet??
Either way, they have a Super Victor EFI intake slated for release. Has all the workings minus fuel rails and throttle body. With Edelbrock's manufacturing capabilities, I don't doubt they could make this as an affordable offering... we'll just have to wait and see.
The LT1-style intake would be nice too, but something like that is going to set you back at least 3 grand. If it were me, this is the route I'd go because I just don't care for "where" the TB end up on these carbie intake conversions.... especially with the BBC.
Good luck.
-Mindgame
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Re: Gen I SBC vs. BBC in 4th gen.
[QUOTE=Brady_96Z]I went with a Dart Iron Eagle small block, short stroke, big bore, thumper turbo.. It doesn't make for much of a fun street car, but it's faster than the big block 
That is yet to be seen...... and she isn't going to get it done sitting in the trailer either... 
That is yet to be seen......
and she isn't going to get it done sitting in the trailer either...
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Re: Gen I SBC vs. BBC in 4th gen.
Originally Posted by rskrause
How does "rolling emissions" work? They can stop you and inspect the car even if it passes tailpipe? Oh, Brave New World! Maybe it is all for "Homeland Security"?
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Originally Posted by TheV6Bird
A specialty truck hangs out on the side of the road. As you drive by, it will suck in the air from your exhaust and do a quick test. If you fail, the truck (or someone further up ahead) takes a pic of your plate and sends you a ticket
I took this with the camera on my phone. I remembered this thread shortly thereafter. Kind of old
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For any fellow Tejas pimps this is just north of the Beltway on the 288 entrance
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Might be a bad place to post this but I've looked everywhere.....what did you do about the VATS system? I got rid of my computer and harness. Am I screwed now with this VATS system? Will the key look to send a signal to a PCM that is not there?
I am aware of the bypass but I believe you still need the CPU for that!!
BTW: MY car is a 95 TA and what is going in the car is a 511 BB with Dart heads. Bottom end is all forged and it will have a modified 1100 carb. The cam is a solid lifter (specs escape me right now).
If anyone can help with the VATS problem I would be extremely appreciative!!!!
I am aware of the bypass but I believe you still need the CPU for that!!
BTW: MY car is a 95 TA and what is going in the car is a 511 BB with Dart heads. Bottom end is all forged and it will have a modified 1100 carb. The cam is a solid lifter (specs escape me right now).
If anyone can help with the VATS problem I would be extremely appreciative!!!!
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Re: Gen I SBC vs. BBC in 4th gen.
Originally Posted by jerrysta
Might be a bad place to post this but I've looked everywhere.....what did you do about the VATS system? I got rid of my computer and harness. Am I screwed now with this VATS system? Will the key look to send a signal to a PCM that is not there?
I am aware of the bypass but I believe you still need the CPU for that!!
BTW: MY car is a 95 TA and what is going in the car is a 511 BB with Dart heads. Bottom end is all forged and it will have a modified 1100 carb. The cam is a solid lifter (specs escape me right now).
If anyone can help with the VATS problem I would be extremely appreciative!!!!
I am aware of the bypass but I believe you still need the CPU for that!!
BTW: MY car is a 95 TA and what is going in the car is a 511 BB with Dart heads. Bottom end is all forged and it will have a modified 1100 carb. The cam is a solid lifter (specs escape me right now).
If anyone can help with the VATS problem I would be extremely appreciative!!!!
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That would be fabulous if no cpu no vats was the case!! I was worried about this detail.
I was just wondering if the electronics in the column would be looking for a signal?
So, my regular key will work as if there was no VATS?
I was just wondering if the electronics in the column would be looking for a signal?
So, my regular key will work as if there was no VATS?
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Re: Gen I SBC vs. BBC in 4th gen.
Originally Posted by jerrysta
That would be fabulous if no cpu no vats was the case!! I was worried about this detail.
I was just wondering if the electronics in the column would be looking for a signal?
So, my regular key will work as if there was no VATS?
I was just wondering if the electronics in the column would be looking for a signal?
So, my regular key will work as if there was no VATS?
Rich
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Re: Gen I SBC vs. BBC in 4th gen.
You will need to rewire the purple wire going to your starter to the i forget what color wire it is coming out of the ign switch to the vat's module.. Otherwise you won't get the 12v to kick the starter..
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I think it's a grey wire that grounds the coil on the VATS relay. Just cut the grey wire and ground it, good to go. Or you can bypass the relay by tieing the big yellow wire to the big purple wire.. If memory serves