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Anyone know the stock lt1 manifold plenum volume?

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Old Aug 6, 2007 | 07:53 PM
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Well the silicone is drying as we speak, so hopefully after Hell's Kitchen, I'll have a figure for the number of beers it will take. It might be a little inaccurate because I don't have plugs for the injector holes so I'm just taking newspaper and wading it up really tight in there and then I'll pour pretty fast. I'll fill it up to the bottom of the injector holes and take that measurement and then go from there.
Old Aug 6, 2007 | 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by OldSStroker
As to how much power the LT1/4 manifolds can support, the runner
cross section can be the limit if you don't want to weld on the outside
of the runners. The short runner length limits the ram tuning to the 5th
harmonic, which isn't particularly strong. This also limits the max power,
especially NA. Remember it was designed for under 350 fwhp.

With the nicely radiused runner inlets, the tuning pulses only push the
particles a little bit out of the runners. It may be a llittle difficult to
visualize, but there are some good CFD pics of what happens.


Yes, unsteady gas dynamics are complex and not easy to
visualize.
I think I understand what your saying about runner wave dynamics, bell
mouth shape determine the particle back flow out of the runner. Correct
this to reduce the impact back flow has on plenum activity. Tuning to
a stronger harmonic would require longer runners. Correct me if I'm
wrong, Thanks.



Old Aug 6, 2007 | 09:41 PM
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Alright fellas, my preliminary results put the LT1 intake at approx. 4L. This is a very rough measurement and if I actually was able to keep the manifold level and effectively plug all the ports and minimize spillage it would probably be a tad less but I think that 4L is reasonably close.
Old Aug 6, 2007 | 09:52 PM
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Thanks for posting the pics. Courtesy of G.P. Blair? Did you read the whole article?

Notice how dynamic particle inflow effects do not extend far into the plenum. I'm not so sure there is all that much chaos above the runners. I also suggest that the heavy spitback shown may be from a strong tuning (or 'ramming') harmonic like the third, not the 5th we see in the LT1/4 manifold.

If you are really going for high NA power, or more correctly maximum BMEP at power peak rpm, have you noticed the lack of good EFI manifolds for LT or even LS engines?

Jon
Old Aug 6, 2007 | 10:01 PM
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Originally Posted by ulakovic22
Alright fellas, my preliminary results put the LT1 intake at approx. 4L. This is a very rough measurement and if I actually was able to keep the manifold level and effectively plug all the ports and minimize spillage it would probably be a tad less but I think that 4L is reasonably close.
That includes the runners, correct? Can you measure the volume of one pair of runners? I think all eight total nearly 1 L. That would make the plenum about 3 L (183 cu. in.) or just over 1/2 the displacement of a 355.

RRR, why was it you asked the original plenum size question?

Jon
Old Aug 6, 2007 | 10:07 PM
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Yes that includes runners.

I can try to. I could slide a piece of wood into it from the back to block it from the plenum and then plug the injector holes and fill it up. That will be tomorrow though.
Old Aug 6, 2007 | 11:14 PM
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Originally Posted by OldSStroker
Thanks for posting the pics. Courtesy of G.P. Blair? Did you read the whole article?...
Here's a link to the article from Blair, I have read it several times and
am still trying to get the information to sink in. Great read.

best bell

The LT1 is a very popular engine with drag racers locally. People come
to me to modify their intakes not because of my vast knowledge on the
subject, but because I am willing to question the design and try to find
ways to improve it. Information like the article from Blair helps to
reduce some of the guess work.

Yes I see a lack of good fuel injection manifolds in general. With the
LT1, one of the more popular alternatives is to convert a carb. intake
to FI.

A nice graft on wave tuning:

wave tuning

Last edited by automotivebreath; Aug 6, 2007 at 11:18 PM.
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