Advanced Tech Advanced tech discussion. Major rebuilds, engine theory, etc.
HIGH-END DISCUSSION ONLY - NOT FOR GENERAL TECH INFO

4-bolt main caps

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Jun 12, 2003 | 03:40 PM
  #1  
Serial Thriller's Avatar
Thread Starter
Registered User
 
Joined: Sep 1999
Posts: 126
From: Shreveport, Louisiana
4-bolt main caps

At what point (rpm or hp) does it become necessary (or recommended) to go to 4-bolt main caps?
How much strength difference is there between splayed caps and straight factory style 4-bolt caps?
Old Jun 12, 2003 | 04:29 PM
  #2  
treyZ28's Avatar
Banned
 
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 3,505
From: looking for a flow bench so Brook and I can race
Main caps seldom crack- usually the crank gives way before.

4 bolt main is to hold the cam better, not to make the actual cap stronger.

at least this my understanding. hopefully someone will correct me if i am wrong.
Old Jun 12, 2003 | 05:55 PM
  #3  
Mindgame's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 2,985
From: In a house by the bay
There's no magical number. RPM doesn't tell you everything and it's not the barometer of impending disaster. If I were to use lightweight pistons, wristpins, rods then it stands to reason that the rpm can increase and still provide a safe home for the crankshaft whereas heavy components might put the crank out of it's misery.
One very successful dirt track race engine shop here local uses a 500 hp rule. Anything under 500 hp stays with 2 bolt caps (w/studs of course) where as anything over that (their 550 hp motors and up) get nodular 4 bolt caps.... steel being optional $.
Dirt motors are tough on parts so using the same rule of thumb for a street engine is pretty safe. I personally have used 2 bolt caps in n/a bracket race engines with ~600 hp and never noticed abnormal bearing wear. Of course good machine work and precision parts plays a big part in longevity.

So I'd say that for a 500 hp street motor... 2 bolts are fine. Anything above that and I'd be looking for a 4 bolt cap. And the late model (thinner) blocks IMO should stay with the straight bolt caps. Save the splayed for aftermarket blocks.

-Mindgame
Old Jun 12, 2003 | 08:00 PM
  #4  
OldSStroker's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 2,931
From: Upstate NY
I agree with Mindgame. Those are good rules of thumb.
Old Jun 13, 2003 | 11:28 AM
  #5  
Serial Thriller's Avatar
Thread Starter
Registered User
 
Joined: Sep 1999
Posts: 126
From: Shreveport, Louisiana
Thanks for the input.
Do main studs give a significant increase in strength over bolts?
Old Jun 13, 2003 | 12:17 PM
  #6  
OldSStroker's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 2,931
From: Upstate NY
Originally posted by Serial Thriller
Thanks for the input.
Do main studs give a significant increase in strength over bolts?
Yes, always use studs over bolts when you have the option. Main studs are a great idea with a 2 bolt setup. While they don't necessarily offer more clamping load, they distort the block less.

You can easily mount a good windage tray with the correct studs also.

Last edited by OldSStroker; Jun 13, 2003 at 02:22 PM.
Old Jun 15, 2003 | 09:07 AM
  #7  
Eric Bryant's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 2,400
From: Michigan's left coast
Studs are much more likely to give you the proper fastener strain for a given torque, as they have significantly higher thread quality than a tapped cast-iron hole.

The 505 HP rule-of-thumb seems rather logical. Mindgame's point about good machine work should not be overlooked; good machine work that yields a straight main bore and proper bearing crush will go much further than simply throwing on a set of 4-bolt caps.
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
Formula Steve
LT1 Based Engine Tech
45
Sep 19, 2023 08:31 AM
cocopops
Cars Wanted
2
Feb 1, 2016 06:22 PM
Ericksd
Drivetrain
4
Jan 20, 2016 06:07 PM
93 RedBird
Fuel and Ignition
4
Nov 15, 2015 08:24 AM
heus
Parts For Sale
0
Sep 8, 2015 12:01 PM




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:41 PM.