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Old Jul 16, 2003 | 11:53 AM
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Blow off any thing Mikey Dragster has to say, and you should do alright.

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Old Jul 16, 2003 | 11:55 AM
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more less thats about it. irocv.s. import is the dumest race i've heard of yet why whats the piont you got money on it?????????
Old Jul 16, 2003 | 12:28 PM
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Originally posted by mikey dragster
how about you get a 4th gen or 2nd gen or even a 1st gen then you wouild have a chance beating him stock v.s. stock.
to make your third gen go you gotta spen d some $$$$$$$$$$. on it
you need: 292*575lift cam,3.73 gears,good exhaust,bigger throttle body,2,200rpm stall converter,ported head's and intake.
you should then get up and go.
You are an idiot, i think we are all getting dumber reading what you write.
Old Jul 16, 2003 | 12:31 PM
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your petty fricken quick retard
Old Jul 16, 2003 | 01:26 PM
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You are an idiot, i think we are all getting dumber reading what you write.


Little word of advice: Don't go to a 3rd gen forum and make fun of them.
Old Jul 16, 2003 | 02:00 PM
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I've been runing third gen's for years.
people just got to admitt there not thr best and deal with them .
there old 80's car's. i got 87's and a 91. the 87's have been trouble some but the 91 is allgood but it's more miles then the 87's thats what pisses me off.
Old Jul 16, 2003 | 02:19 PM
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Originally posted by mikey dragster
I've been runing third gen's for years.
people just got to admitt there not thr best and deal with them .
there old 80's car's. i got 87's and a 91. the 87's have been trouble some but the 91 is allgood but it's more miles then the 87's thats what pisses me off.
They arent so bad when you know how to work on them.
Old Jul 16, 2003 | 02:24 PM
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i still say a 292* cam with a 575 lift. and 2,200 - - 2,500 stall with 3.73 gears and this iroc woulds waset that import.
Old Jul 16, 2003 | 04:41 PM
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Originally posted by mikey dragster
i still say a 292* cam with a 575 lift. and 2,200 - - 2,500 stall with 3.73 gears and this iroc woulds waset that import.
A.) That much duration and that much lift is going to benefit from a much higher (3000+) converter.

B.) You stated a bigger throttle body, if you were to put a cam with 292 degrees of advertised duration behind a TPI/TBI motor, you would have some serious issues.

C.) You cant just say a 292* cam with 575 lift. Advertised duration doesnt mean ****. @.050 is what you should be looking at, for instance 230/236 @ .050. Single pattern cams should die with the 70's, and unless you can afford a head that has a 75% intake to exhaust ratio, you shouldnt be looking at them.

D.) There is much more to cam selection than what you have provided. For instance, if this is a TPI motor, it will require a wide lobe separation (112+)...
Old Jul 16, 2003 | 05:01 PM
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AND just for reference i know its different but i know of a guy around here who had a relatively stock motor in his civic it was basically an intake and maybe some minor minor other bolt ons. He was spraying with it and melted the pistons. Its just not worth it IMO
Thats the problem right there. Dont look at what those Honda guys do and think it will apply to everything. First off that motor was built to get good gas mileage and be economical not have Nitrous Oxide rammed down its throat. And being a stock motor and minor minor bolt ons I doubt he had all the safety features and the added fuel on it, and I bet he was running a 100+ on his motor. For a 5.0L V8 or 5.7L V8 thats not a big deal its a big engine that get lots of fuel and air, a little N20 isnt gonna hurt it. That same 100 shot on a 1.5 or 1.6L 4-banger that is alot of N20 for a small motor and a fraction of the combustion area to take in that amount. Can nitrous blow your motor, melt your pistons, do all kinds of bad stuff, yes if you dont know what you are doing and run too big of a shot for the size of motor. But if you are smart about it, use a reasonable shot, and set the car up to handle the added stress, you can run nitrous all day long and never have a problem.

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Old Jul 16, 2003 | 05:12 PM
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Fair enough however >>>IMO<<< i dont like nos even without melting pistons and other crap i have a 13 year old car and while it has been really well maintained it still has 13 year old parts on it. It still has stock 13 year old internals, i havent taken apart the motor so i dont know what condition my pistons or are in and for that matter any of my internals and id be willing to bet the person who started this post would fall into a similar cenario. For instance my valve springs could be in perfect conditon or about to snap on me i really dont know and i dont have the time to tear apart my engine and find out. On a stock engine with factory stock parts that has been run for a long time >>>IMO<<< nos is not a good idea because you just dont know exactly what your spraying that nos into. but again this is just my opinion and i put it up as an alternative for the person who started this post just as something to think about. I havent made up any weird facts its just unless you know exactly what your dealing with you take a descent sized risk because you just dont know!
Old Jul 16, 2003 | 05:57 PM
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Pistons melt under extremely lean conditions- I.E. too much timing, not enough jetting or lack of fuel pressure. It doesn't have a lot to do with internals.
Old Jul 16, 2003 | 07:21 PM
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Lean conditions create more heat, therefore, heat melts pistons, but due to lean conditions.

And Doug, you do have a point you have no idea what is going on inside, hell the thing could blow every bearing and seal the next time you start it up. But if his car is running well enough for him to race it the throwing a little bit of nitrous into it for a run or 2 isnt going to hurt it.
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