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Road and Track SS = LS3, Z28 = LSA etc.

Old Jun 4, 2008 | 06:43 PM
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They are gonna have a lot more problems than weight if they don't offer a V8 below
$30,000.
Old Jun 4, 2008 | 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by STOCK1SC
And also it would be nice if we could get back to the poster about 5 pages ago that posted test mules have gone 12.7 and 11.9 with the LS3 and Supercharged 6.2, I would like some more info on that since this is the Powertrain Section.
Well there is nothing stopping anyone from talking about the info given. This is all the news in two posts:
Z28/LSA Dyno Results

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A little birdie dropped off a note today regarding the '10 Camaro Z28 with supercharged (1.9 TVS) 6.2L/LSA:


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The Z28 will also have 550+ HP that's underated. The dyno chart showed 520 RWHP 492 RWTQ. Changing a pulley and adding a tune & exhaust the thing had 615 RWHP and 602 RWTQ. They said that that was with a mid size pulley. They have smaller ones.

On the downside the car will weight at or over 4000lbs.

The SS is still going to be 430hp from a LS3 (3900lbs). It's gone 12.7@113 in testing."

more birdie talking here......

Z/28 posted up an 11.9@123mph. Then ran an 11.2@ undisclosed mph w/ a pulley and exhaust.

Also there's a "new" GN in the works. Still a V6 w/ a turbo. It might be a lightweight
Go back and re-read to see that I did ask for more about this info and to get more but you know how that goes. I don't know what else can be said.

Great numbers and big power from the Z28. Looks like the SS is running well too. What is your views?
Old Jun 4, 2008 | 07:09 PM
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A little birdie dropped off a note today regarding the '10 Camaro Z28 with supercharged (1.9 TVS) 6.2L/LAS:
Not saying I'm skeptical, but isn't the supercharged Z28 going to be a 2011 MY vehicle.
Old Jun 5, 2008 | 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Dragoneye
It would undoubtedly get better mpg...but would it really be more CAFE friendly?
How does this wheelbase-footprint thing effect mpg requirements? It's an honest question; supposedly smaller-wheelbase cars need to meet higher standards than their larger-wheelbase counterparts...I remember reading something about Porche being screwed becuase their teeny little cars would have to adhere to a ~40mpg standard. So would it make more sense to make a larger Camaro more effecient, instead of a smaller one?
There was a good explaination on what effects a"footprint" would have on CAFE ratings on C&G afew weeks ago. I'm no expert on it, but it seems to me that large footprint cars, still need to increase MPG, just not as much as small cars.

Anyway, a smaller, lighter Camaro, might not necessarily have a much smaller footprint either, since the footprint is calculated by wheelbase and track.

As far as making the 5th gen more efficient, GM is on it. I wonder if there is much of a market for a two ton, 4 cylinder, Camaro though.
Old Jun 5, 2008 | 04:07 PM
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3900 lbs?
Old Jun 5, 2008 | 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by 8Banger
They are gonna have a lot more problems than weight if they don't offer a V8 below
$30,000.

Isnt that the truth. The way gas prices are and everything else you wonder if its not DOA. Im really disappointed with the weight. This thing is a fatty. One of the reliable sources on the mustang boards have been saying what we were told in this thread for quite a while. I must say they were very accurate. Im not going to be the first inline anyway to be raped by a dealer so Ill just hang tight until the 11 mustang shows up and see what they have. So much for a 3600 lb car.
Old Jun 5, 2008 | 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Chevys
Isnt that the truth. The way gas prices are and everything else you wonder if its not DOA. Im really disappointed with the weight. This thing is a fatty. One of the reliable sources on the mustang boards have been saying what we were told in this thread for quite a while. I must say they were very accurate. Im not going to be the first inline anyway to be raped by a dealer so Ill just hang tight until the 11 mustang shows up and see what they have. So much for a 3600 lb car.
3600 pounds never sounded believeable. I don't know why so many thought that would be the number. Wishful thinking, I guess.

But it's not fat, it just has big Zeta bones.
Old Jun 5, 2008 | 07:09 PM
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But it's not fat, it just has big Zeta bones.
Yeah, the Camaro and Eric Cartman.
Old Jun 5, 2008 | 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by teal98
3600 pounds never sounded believeable. I don't know why so many thought that would be the number. Wishful thinking, I guess.

Early on, the Camaro team felt that they could re-engineer Zeta for Camaro, to come under that. That was the plan. I seriously doubt that GM would have gone with Zeta for the Camaro, if they knew it would come in at two tons. At least I'd like to think so.
Old Jun 5, 2008 | 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted by teal98
3600 pounds never sounded believeable. I don't know why so many thought that would be the number. Wishful thinking, I guess.

But it's not fat, it just has big Zeta bones.
3600 never seemed realistic to me either but a lot of the people drinking the gm kool aid kicked the number around a lot. I understand the problem with weight being built on the Zeta platform. Were there any other choices? These pony cars are just getting to big. The challenger is huge. I do hope Ford learns something from this. It would not bother me a bit to see a slightly smaller stang. I love the ls3 but Im going to look around when the time comes.
Old Jun 5, 2008 | 08:57 PM
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Were there any other choices? .
Yes. But politics killed an Alpha-like architecture 3 years ago. Remember the Torana?
Old Jun 5, 2008 | 09:18 PM
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Yes. But politics killed an Alpha-like architecture 3 years ago. Remember the Torana?
Never heard of it. From Australia maybe? Its a shame politics killed it.
Old Jun 5, 2008 | 10:07 PM
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Yes. But politics killed an Alpha-like architecture 3 years ago. Remember the Torana?
At the time, they said V6 only for the Torana, though it was a TTV6. I presume that was just misdirection?
Old Jun 5, 2008 | 10:21 PM
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Originally Posted by teal98
At the time, they said V6 only for the Torana, though it was a TTV6. I presume that was just misdirection?

Had they moved forward with that architecture, there wasn't even the thought that a Camaro based version wouldn't be V8 capable.
Old Jun 5, 2008 | 11:47 PM
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Had they moved forward with that architecture, there wasn't even the thought that a Camaro based version wouldn't be V8 capable.

Killing the Torana ranks up as one of the dumbest things GM's done in the last 5 years.

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