Not really. GM's answer to that is buy our 300HP V6, it's supposedly gonna be a great car meant to attract buyers from other segments. I really don't think the SS is gonna be high 30's though, at least I'd hope not. The Z28 should be.

 

The top dog Camaro, probably Z28, is going to be one bad pony, so I wouldn't expect it to be in the 30's, more likely higher. And it is going to be mean.. But you're right in that GM will be pushing the V6 as being fairly decent hp'ed car for under 30. The Camaro isn't going to 'just' be about hp this time around, but a mixture, or addition if you will, of some of the best characteristics, hopefully adding up to more class than ever.

With prices rising, the Mustang GT will slowly climb over the $30,000 mark, along with the midlevel Camaro SS, in the coming years. Just my thoughts.
(Averagely speaking, I meant...lol)

 

At about 10k per 100 HP as a general rule (at least in the past) and the statements that the car will be priced in the Mustang's general range...that puts a base V8 with around 400 HP (as seems to be the general concensus) at somewhere in the 29 - 31 k range. That would also mean somewhere in the neighborhood of 500 HP going for low 40's....plus options. Also assuming that the assumptions are correct.

 

I completely agree with you, everything we've heard from the insiders is the Camaro will be priced higher but still competively with similar Mustangs. I wonder if GM will announce pricing with the offical debut in September?

 

Here's what I heard today....

"Z28/LSA Dyno Results

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A little birdie dropped off a note today regarding the '10 Camaro Z28 with supercharged (1.9 TVS) 6.2L/LSA:


Quote:
The Z28 will also have 550+ HP that's underated. The dyno chart showed 520 RWHP 492 RWTQ. Changing a pulley and adding a tune & exhaust the thing had 615 RWHP and 602 RWTQ. They said that that was with a mid size pulley. They have smaller ones.

On the downside the car will weight at or over 4000lbs.

The SS is still going to be 430hp from a LS3 (3900lbs). It's gone 12.7@113 in testing. "

 

Lots of people will whinge about these weights, but they're all 200-300 pounds less than the four door sedans on Zeta/Sigma with the same engines, so I say "good job!" . That's a much larger weight reduction than you normally get by trimming a few inches and two doors from a platform [Challenger/6-series/G37/CLK/Accord/etc./etc.].

Just think of the Camaro as the 2-door Chevelle SS to the G8 as 4-door Malibu SS (if it had existed), and you'll be happy.
(or GTO to LeMans, etc.)

 

Not news to me. But disappointing to see confirmation.

A two plus ton Z/28? They can keep it.

 

Are you freaking serious? That 520 rwhp puts it at mid 11's coming off the assembly
line. God, talk about hard to please. Go ahead and get a Mustang and make yourself
happy.

 

It's not aimed at you. It has a supercharger, and you've clearly stated that you're not interested in that. The SS version will be closer, and the V6 maybe yet closer. Still, it's based on a full size (modern interpretation of full size) sedan, and there's only so much you can do.

 

He wants a small sports car. More like an RX8. But he wants a V8 engine in it. Now that you mention it, he is hard to please.

 

Mid 11's? Lot's of speculation on your part. No?

Actually, I believe that I am dead on, the target demographic for this car. Pity.

Somewhere between a 2 ton coupe and an RX8 lies a Camaro. It's too bad we're getting the 2 ton coupe.

 

I would argue that 8Banger is, since he's more interested in the LSA than you are. In fact, anyone who is more interested in HP and less interested in low weight is much closer to the target than you are.

I might argue that the car you want is a fantasy. You're not going to get a 400hp V8 much lighter than the Camaro. The closest to what you want would be a cut-price M3, with the M3 V8 replaced by a smallblock. I don't think the smallblock saves any weight. It makes more torque, so the driveline has to be heavier. And at the Camaro price point, you can't use so many expensive lightweight components. Sure, you could get rid of sound deadening, the A/C, power windows, etc. But you won't sell many like that, and I'm not talking about a car like that.

Starting from the other end, what would a Corvette weigh if you added two seats and targeted it for $32K and 100000/year? I'll wager 3600-3700. What happens if you get your Alpha with a V8. I'll wager 3600-3700 pounds. Price it at $50K, and you can probably lop off another hundred or two.

So yes, it's too bad we're getting the 1.95 ton coupe instead of the 1.80-1.85 ton coupe. But there are worse problems in the world.

 

Because he's interested in the LSA doesn't necessarily make him the target demographic. Most 14 year old boys are interested in the Corvette. Doubt that Chevy targets them though.




So we've come to this. We've come to the point where a two ton Camaro is not only not unacceptable, but in fact, it is now 'fantasy' to expect anything better.


PS

3600 pounds is better than 4100.

 

Ignoring the strawman, you're clearly not the target demographic. You want a as small a platform as possible (smaller than possible?) stuffed with a NA V8. That's not what it is.



Another strawman. Two actually. At least reply to my comments rather than to a silly point that I didn't make.

What I think unlikely, and probably a fantasy, is putting a V8 into an Alpha. Unless they can design two variants of the platform. But then I don't see how they could market the low volume V8 version for a reasonable price. So maybe it's only a fantasy if you want a relatively low price (low 30s in today's money).

But we shall see.

 

Apparently not.....