Dodges fault, not Chevys.

 

I proved my point and you re-stated it, but let me spell it out for you all one last time. base v6 mustang. GT mustang (mid-level V8 runs on regular unleaded) Shelby,Roush,Saleen upper mid level HP v8's still sold thru Ford and backed by Ford. GT500KR top level mustang....and, if you think this car is hyper-limited what do you think the Z-28 is going to be?

So Ford has three levels of engines working for them as you stated and Chevy has two...sounds like a mid level package to me! My point all along.

As for the difference in the price of gas to run regular instead of premium fuel (.25 cents per gallon difference where I live) figure it out over five years at 30k miles per year at 24 mpg.....almost $1600.00...that may be spare change to you, but not me. Not for a daily driver.

 

Roush and Saleen are not Mustang trims. The dealer has to be certified by Roush to work on their car. Saleen isn't even around anymore. They are tuner cars, not trim levels. The GT500 and the GT500KR are two different cars. GT500KR is a hyper limited run model. The GT500 is the "Cobra", Fords top leel car. Both of them have the name Shelby on them, but the GT500 is the conventional top model volume car. The GT500KR doesn't even come with a warranty.

You need to do some more research.

Ford's line up:
Mustang v6 4.0L SOHC v6
Mustang GT 4.6L SOHC v8
Mustang GT500 "Shelby" 5.4L DOHC supercharged v8

3 engines in that line.

Chevy's up and coming lineup
Camaro v6 3.6 DOHC v6
Camaro SS 6.2 OHV v8
Camaro Z/28 6.2 OHV supercharged v8

3 engines in that line.

Making the Camaro SS the midlevel engine. Competition for the Mustang GT. The Z28 car is not going to be hyper unlimited. It is competition for the Mustang GT500, and will likely have projected sales volume in the same neighborhood. Ford sells several thousand GT500s a year.

Maybe the confusion started when GM swapped the SS and z28 trim levels from the 4th gen fbody. SS is not the top trim any longer. It is the competitor trim level to the Mustang GT.


Premium over standard fuel is not enough of a inhibitor as to harm sales, especially over a car like a Camaro. People click off boxes for useless junk at the dealer that easily adds more than that to the payment of the car all the time. If I stopped drinking as much milk as I do I am sure I could save a few thousand bucks over five years, but the fact is that is a useless statistic. The amount premium costs of standard gas a week is largely insignificant, especially in this buying bracket.

 

why dont you go to Fords website and look what motors the Mustang offers before you say that again. And dont look at power output, thats not what it is judges by. They have a base v6, a base v8, and the high output v8. 4.0, 4.6, 6.2. If you cant afford an ls3, dont get one.

 

You can run regular gas in the car, you just won't get as much timing. You are definitely not going to hurt it by running regular.

I can't believe you are even still arguing about this!

-Geoff

 

Over 5 years?

$320 a year?

$26 and change a month?

Holy god nobody can afford that.

 

Lol, genius.

I see the point that they are trying to make. A cheaper 8 that us broke guys can get cheaper and run for less. But im going to have to agree with supernova and the others. The 6.2 is the mid level v8. It gets decent gas mileage, and it whomps on all of its competition. If you want to run 87 fine, get the 6. If you want the 8, 26 bucks a month is the price you will pay for the v8 thunder.

on another noteI am an lt1 guy and i am totally fine with the 6 being faster, it far more advanced. period. But my car sounds better

 

If you dropped the rear gears down to say a 2.72:1 like in my 86 Monte Carlo, you might get over 30mpg in the. SS. Just kidding about that though. In the seat of the pants, torque is what u feel during stop and go traffic. A mid level V8 is going to FEEL stronger during city driving where u can't run it up to 6000. An old 1998 Camaro LS1 in the new SS is gonna feel peppier then the V6 because it has almost 50ft-lbs more torque at its peak. That engine only makes 1hp more then the V6. Prolly run exactly the same time in the quarter with worse gas milage then the V6. But it would win you all the 0 to 50mph races against the V6 with equal drivers.

 

The LS1 makes in the area of 50 more hp than the new v6. GM's ratings on the LS1 fbodies were kept deceptively low. They routinely dyno stock in the 300hp at the wheels range.

When you drive, torque is the only thing you feel, ever. You don't feel horsepower. Torque is the force the engine produces, and the gearing in the tranny and rear manipulate.

 

Let me use the 4.8L then as a better example. It makes 270hp and 285ft-lbs of torque. But it makes those numbers at a lower RPM. While the V6 would prolly take the V8 in the 1/4mi, the V8 is gonna feel stronger of the line.

 

A 5.3 isn't going to be any cheaper than a 6.2 either. It has all the exact same parts, just different sizes. So it would cost the same for GM to manufacture.

-Geoff

 

I stayed out of the cost portion of this argument because I already know that it would be more expensive to add a third engine to the line & I was merely stating that IF you compare two engines of similar output, the V8 would feel stronger in the lower RPM's that are used mostly during stop and go driving.

 

The real cost would be certification and such. The 5.3 is a much higher produced engine along many vehicle lines, therefore spreading engineering and development costs. Also the per part costs are reduced when you buy more at a time. Making the 5.3L cheaper to produce.

 

By and large LS series engine dimensions are fairly universal. Cam journal, exterior dimensions, and such. Assuming the same block material; the difference between a 5.3 and a 6.2 is crank, rods, pistons, and bore. Heads basically just have a different port program and valve size. The cost difference should be exceptionally small.

 

Those two engines produced side by side, 1 for 1 if you will, probably do have an exceptionally small cost difference. But when you talk about the volumes the engines are produced at the 5.3 becomes the clear winner in the cheap cattigory. That would help offset some of the certification and validation, but I don't know what that costs or if it would really offset it much.