They "could" bring back an iron carburated v8 and put in the camaro. The question in this thread is why doesnt GM. The answer is isnt cost effective,it wouldnt create a great mpg increase, and it would be dumb making a v8 with a marginal power increases with a weight increase that makes it slower than a v6. The what ifs were from you not understanding that. With that im done with arguing with you, because you obviously will never understand that.

 

Yeah, we oviously both are blinded by our own points. My point is it could be done. There can be a light V8, that can make 360hp, run 87, and have good MPG's. and be the fill in gap between the LS and 1SS. My points were not based on cost effectivness, nor were they based on actuallity of the engines existance. You and me kept argueing points that never intersected between our views.

 

V8 engines don't get much lighter than the LS series engines. The engine comes in just under 400lbs dry. Running 87 octane is irrelevent. It may be an incentive, but it is not a deal breaker.

What gap are you talking about? There is an over 100hp gap between the v6 Mustang and the Mustang GT, and Ford doesn't seem to have much of a problem with it. The 4th gen f-bodies have a 100hp gap between v6 and v8, and we didn't hear anyone complain about that. There is no gap that needs to be addressed. It is simply not a problem.

GM could certainly build a v8 car to get over 30mpgs for an EPA fuel raing. But it won't be in a 2 ton Camaro. The car would need to be A LOT lighter, and more aero-friendly. Not even the Vette rates 30mpgs on the highway EPA, and it has less frontal area, a better coefficient of drag, and isn't a fat *** like the new Camaro. GM could do lots of things. Possibilities are typically tempered to disregarded due to reality though, and in reality there is no need for a redundant v8 motor.

I remember reading on here years ago from some guys "in the know" that there were four hypothetical engine options: 2 v6s and 2 v8. A base 250hp 3.9L v6. The 3.6 DOHC v6 was an upgrade. The 2 v8s were the SS v8 and the blown v8 coming out with the Z28 whenever that car decides to show it's head. Why don't we need a weaker v6 to help make the car more accessible? Why isn't anyone arguing that point? Didn't the original 1st gen Camaro have two different flavors of straight 6? That business model worked, didn't it. Even though it is a 40 year old business model.

 

Next generation Camaro could. Don't know much about it. Almost no one does. It isn't going to be done on the current architecture though. Saying putting a lower displacing v8 in the current car and nailing 30mpgs is an extreme gross oversimplification.

 

Right on Moose.

 

I'm a pretty simple guy.... but thats basically what I was tryin to say. But everyone wants facts, and I don't have them, but its bound to happen. And I don't think (no matter what anyone else says) that the camaro will only have the V6 and V8 option very long, another engine will find its place in there. (Not including the Z/28's LSX)

 

How do you guys still not get it? It isnt bound to happen. None of the companies have a v6, low v8, mid v8, and high v8. Maybe you two should buy an ls3, put 87 and pull one spark plug wire off. Then you guys can have your slower than a v6 v8 that runs on 87.

 

Would it improve gas milegas, cause that one spark plug does save weight.

 

You think none of the other companies have a v6, low v8, mid v8, and high v8? Have you looked at the ford line up in the past 5 years.....base v6, GT, Cobra/Shelby/Roush & 500KR. Not to mention limited production versions like the Bullitt cars and Shaker cars and Hertz cars that sell out before they hit the showrooms. WAKE UP.

 

Ford. 4.0, 4.6, 5.4. Several tuners do different versions, adding significant costs.

Dodge. 3.5, 5.7, 6.1.

Chevy 3.6, 6.2, LSA.

 

Ill requote because you changed. 4.0 4.6 5.4. All others you just put go against what you said you want, because you wanted a smaller cheaper v8. Bullit is more expensive package with apperange and different exhaust, Shaker isnt a Mustang package, if you mean the Pony Package, that is a v6 apperance package i believer, and Hertz is for a rental company. 500kr is the same 5.4 with a different intake/exhaust/ tuning package. I have woke up. I have looked at Mustangs and Camaros for the last 20 years. The have one v6 one mid (aside from Bullit edge mustangs that was the same 4.6 with an intake and the dohc Mach 1 that was still a 4.6) and one top. You have stated several more expensive options to show that other companies make a cheaper v8? Those cars support nothing that you have said you want. You are going to have to get a better argument.

 

Ford has had three consistent Mustangs. The v6, GT, and GT500, or earlier Cobra. Roush and Saleen (they are gone now anyway) are not Ford models. Bullitt was a one year limited edition, like the Hertz car. Let Chevy make plenty of special editions. Usually there are plenty of idiots to pay top dollar for a low level option package i.e. special edition. Wake up from what? The fact that Ford has three different engines in their lineup, and has had three different engines in their lineup for a very long time. It seems to be working for them.

The GT500KR is hyper limited, and can be completely omitted from discussion. Ford does not offer a mid level v8 to bridge the 100hp gap between their v6 and their GT. No need. If Ford was your example for a mid level v8 or low level v8 or whatever you want to call it, you didn't do your homework.

 

What about Dodge? the challenger has 3 levels thats what I was refering to for my mid-level V8.

Looks like the camaro is going to have a line up similar

Base v6, SS, and maybe Z/28

Then Hennessey and I belive Lingerfinger will have the 3rd party ones.

The mid-level V8 would be more of a 5.7L challenger comparison

 

That is compared to the Camaros 6.2. It is their mid line and the SRT8 is top. Chevy just hasnt released a top line yet.

 

OHHHHH, now I finnally get it. lol . whups Z/28, completly forgot.

Thats not fair though. Our SS is better than there SRT-8, but its soppose to compete with there R/T.