4, I think you're just going to to have to accept the fact that when faced w/ a 3800 lb Camaro vs NO Camaro, MOST people are going to take the 3800 pounder. We all know your position on it, but it's done, time to let it lie bro.

BTW, I love the 'ROC. Beautiful. Makes me miss my 25th that much more.

 

I agree. That's why I'm looking for a CTS-V for now, and hoping that there is a 6th gen.

Thanks.

 

Those are sweet cars, wouldn't mind one myself.

 

So you're ok with a 3850 lb or more CTS-V ???

The 2009 CTS-V will be 4200 lb / 4300 lb for the auto.

 

The way I see it, the CTS-V is a 5 passenger, 4 door sedan. It is also extremely high in content. It's not pretending to be a ponycar.

With that said, it's still weighs less than a V8 Camaro will. MUCH less than a Z/28 will. That's with luxury everything, LS6/LS2, T-56, Nav, sunroof, Brembos, 4 doors and 5 seats.

 

Oh yeah CLEAN, what do you think of your new Corvette? Must be a fun car.

 

It's pretty good. Similar feel to my C5, but does everything a little better. LS3 is sweet of course, and the new TR6060 is a good tranny. It was kind of an adjustment getting used to the small cabin again, to be honest, the bigger cab of a 5th gen or CTS for that matter would be easier to live with day to day, but no complaints.

 

Yes, it is more high in content than the Camaro will be...so there is extra weight in that extra content.

The closest thing structurally we have right now to the camaro is the G8 which weighs in at 3885 and 3995 lbs. The Camaro team (per what Scott and others at GM said) did try to watch the weight. The Camaro will also be slightly smaller in stature than the G8...so how is the V8 Camaro going to come in over that??? The Z28 could with all of the extras it is getting but the regular Camaro and the SS...there is no way they will be that much. Close, Maybe but not over like you are stating.

Maybe pessimism isn't my thing.

 

Are you thinking that a Camaro SS will weigh a couple hundred pounds less than a G8 GT?

 

I know what Charlie is getting at. For him, if you're going to go out and buy a 2-ton sporty car, you might as well use that size and weight to seat 4 adults comfortably. I completely agree.

 

So do I.

 

I have learned that the proof is in the pudding. By that I suggest one needs to get in the seat before they draw FINAL conclusions. I. myself am an old schooler when it comes to cars. I do look hard at weight. Weight is an important factor.

However, I have been schooled and surprised by final executions which result in rematkable driving experiences.

I don't know the final weight numbers for any of the Camaros. I don't know if the mags are wrong or right in their assertions. I do know that I have driven cars that showed their portly construction as expected, AND I have driven cars that don't exhibit what might be expected from the raw numbers alone.

For all the bruhaha I hope that folks actually drive the new Camaro and then render judgement. That isn't possible at present, and thus we see the kind of conclusions being put forth. Dynamics are the key... and the dynamics and actual numbers are, as yet, speculative at best.

I'm far more interested in folks reactions to the new car after they drive than before they drive.

 

Why are you thinking it will be a couple hundred pounds more?

 

No, I bet he thinks it will weigh a maximum of 100 pounds less with it most likely somewhere nearer to 50. But I really shouldn't be speaking for him.

 

Forget about why I think what I think...

Let me ask you this. If the SS comes in at or near the weight of a G8 GT and a Z/28 weighs in at a good bit more than that, how would you feel about that?