Overall, I like the car, but what happened to the depth/afterburner-look to the taillights? The concepts' appeared that way, but in this pic it appears the whole thing lights up.

 

BLA BLA BLA.... gimme a break, you expect a company thats trying to make money to OVER build a rear when the after market already has something in place!? think about this for one minute. the MAJORITY of 10 bolts out there last and work perfectly fine since MOST ppl have kept there cars close to stock. how is it cost effective to build something that is already availible in the after market!?. why arent you bitching that the 4l60 cant handle 500hp stock!? or how about guys with T56's and a blower breaking aluminum drive shafts? or DAMN the lt1 was just a two bolt block!? What Fantasy world do you guys live in!?

Ive blown 2 10 bolts and both were due to hard launches and hard shifts. Then common sense kicked in and I bought a 9".

All im saying is use your brain for one minute and think as if it was YOUR business and you will understand why every part isnt made to take on a M1A2 Abrams Tank!!

 

Again, baloney. My Formula had a couple mods (K&N intake lid, free mods, WS6 muffler, 275 tires). I beat the living tar out of that poor thing for three years, on Detroit's bomb-damage-pothole roads. I flogged it without mercy. I even got my brake rotors replaced under warranty, as testimony to my lead foot. Now I will say this - I also regularly got new diff fluid and posi additive put in, at my own expense. I wonder... how many of those 4gen owners with diff tales of woe... how many performed regular maintenance?

 

No car is going to be perfect especially once you start modding them. Not many cars are designed to have sticky tires put on and launched at the drag strip. Even 03-04 Cobras brake their half shafts.

 

That lower bubble on the rear bumper has to go.....it takes away from all the other nice lines of the car....UGHH!

 

did anywhere we say that it had to be bulletproof? no. but its just common sense on some things, it would cost no extra to put a 8.5 in yet they dont? that diff was shared with every 1500 truck made and has been around for 20+ years. they just did it to save 50 dollars and give us substandard product. it was weight of warranty cost to unit cost and they saved a bit. gm doesnt care if something is no good. they design everything on the ragged edge of reliability to last. and im not just talking camaro, for everything. maybe if they thought about their reputation and customers a bit more then they wouldnt be where they are at now? i dunno but making a little less on a car but having the car build a reputation for your product of being durable and reliable is what keeps your company alive, not the last cent of profit. why do you think smaller companies are taking it to them? because they dont build something to barely last....all it is is greed, and its starting to come full circle now. sure stuff is getting better but its too late, everyone is scared or dont care to give gm a chance anymore, they would soon go out and buy a honda or a toyota etc.

our family has owned about 6 gms in the past 20 years, and every one of them has been a turd thats been falling apart with stupid things that should never break, and all low low mileage cars, save for a 99 lumina which was trouble free. even our still new 2005 2500hd 4x4 etc. 10k miles, has a major steering problem its falling apart, and its a babied pavement queen and barely towed a car maybe a dozen times, roof is rattling and the exh resonates like a **** at 1800rpm enough for you to rip your ears off. they were quick to take the 45k cdn for it though.....

the point im trying to make is, you shouldnt have to accept barely, we deserve better. you are buying a car for $xxxxx.00. especially what the camaro represents and they fully know whats gonna be done to them and what they are used for. put in a little bit more effort then the car will sell itself.

 

I'll call baloney on your baloney. You cannot call baloney because of one experience -- your own. The 10-bolt will perform fine for relatively stock power levels and street tires. Throw a set of stickies on it for a day at the track and you're playing with fire. Period. Now, what gets people hot and bothered about this is that Mustang guys run seriously sick power through their rears without a peep of trouble. The Ford 9" is the one part of the Mustang's powertrain they've always gotten right.

 

Dude I would be right there with you bitching till the cows come home IF GM was turning PROFITS! and if you think every other automaker isnt designing to right before failure you odviously need to learn something about the auto industry. Even battery makers design there batteries to fail as close to there "warranty" as possible. Your still not thinking like a business owner. And where did you get the $50 cost from???? and again, WHY upgrade it at the factory? If MOST 10bolts in stock form or close to stock form last then IMO they did there job perfectly. Ill say it again, they arent designing a TANK and even if it only means $50 per unit, thats still less on the sticker! Take that and multiply it across every part on the car and you will rack up thousands in strengthening parts for 5-10% of consumer base. It just doesnt make business sense.

Its pretty common knowledge that you have to upgrade parts when you start increasing HP. why should a Rear be the exception??

 

Well, you must have incredibly bad luck. I've owned several new and two used GM vehicles over the last twenty years or so, I've had no reliability problems, just routine things like water pumps, etc. My vehicles get a lot of mileage, some of the 4wd ones get pretty brutal treatment on the beaches/dunes of the NC Outer Banks, but they all get regular maintainence and oil/filter changes. I have not sold any of them with under 175,000 miles on them, the '88 Blazer parked in my driveway has 331,000 miles on the original engine that has never been opened up/rebuilt. Either I'm very lucky or GM builds a decent product, you decide.
Clyde

 

im willing to bet that for ever one 10bolt that has broken, there are many more that haven't. Its a mechanical device...they wear out, get old and break, just like anything else mechanical...especially with the lack of routine maintenance they receive. I'll put my vote in for one that is still going for now

Then again...I'm having trouble understanding what the 10bolt has to do with the 5th gen? I must have overlooked that part...oh yeah, it has pretty much nothing to do with it

 

The 8.5 10 bolt in my 96 Impala SS that was a 355 ci turbocharged, nitrous injected 600hp beast stood up to all I could throw at it. But since the 5th gen Camaro will have independent rear suspension different from the GTO, time will tell what kind of power it will take and if there will be any tire shake. GM cars and trucks now have a 100,000 mile warranty, so it would seem GM would be using stronger components, but its pretty easy to just tell the dealers to deny as many claims as possible because of abuse.

 

Does make you wonder, right? If there is no significant difference in cost then why not? What other difference would there be? Weight. Putting anything heavier on the car would have pushed it into a different weight class which would have changed the CAFE class, changing everything. They wanted to, but they could not for this reason. THAT is why, not any of the other reasons you assumed.

I don't see why we are rehashing a car that hasn't been built in 6 years. The next Camaro will share only the name. Everything else will be different.

 

LOL That comeback gave me a really good chuckle.

 

If an 8.5" costs $.50 more, some beancounter will get a raise by saving GM millions by pushing 7.5"ers, making some very convincing case for not going the extra half dollar.
It's why alot of good ideas from GM ended up junk. Materials get downgraded, bolts get reduced in number and size etc etc...
For once I hope they commit to building a truly superior product that they can be proud of and hang their reputation on.

 

quoted for truth, i hope its nothing like the past experiences either.