So this is what happens when i forget to lurk for a day or two!! Im actually surprised that it has taken this long for a leak to get out.

I just have one question for Red planet- if you had a choice- now- for those of us who have not seen the pics yet, to see them or not, which would it be? While I really want to take a peek- Out of respect to you and all you have done on this board and at GM - I wont look at them.

Im sure that there are others as well- out of respect- who will also avert their eyes.

So, whats the word?

 

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD SOMEONE SEND ME THESE PICS!!!!! I hate showing up late to the party.
daddysz28@hotmail.com

Edit: in reply to the above post, i don't think gm just pulling the plug and dangling the nameplate infront of us was respectful. I think that somone should have come forth with something. Maybe I missed them or just didn't read between the lines but it was killing me. Everytime something positive came out something else came out to kill all hope. I can't stand it anymore. I need to actually see something for one way or the other. I don't mean to be an *** to anyone on the board but GM is killing me here.

 

Smegma?

I think the right side of the concept looks great, I prefer the rounder lights. I also agree that the rear end needs round exhausts, and circular taillights a'la the early 2nd gens. A small lip spoiler would be perfect.
Build it ASAP, please!

 

Another question....will GM be releasing these to the aftermarket before they're actually released ala 05 Stang. It would sure be nice to have an intake and exhaust, etc before I even have mine in the driveway. The aftermarket support will be VERY IMPORTANT in ensuring the future success of the car.

 

I didn't see them, but I'm glad. I pretty disappointed that these pics got out. They had it under wraps for god knows how long and a month before it's reveled BOOM, all over the net.

 

Hahaha...no.
Zegma.

 

Since we can post our thoughts ....cool First off , I think the clay is absolutely 100% going in the right direction . The presence and attitude is their , the traditional coupe layout like I wanted is there . It would be insanely easy to tweak the clay model a bit , to be the sexyist car in the world , IMO . I am so happy its not full on retro too , but I am happy where it is the most retro . That being the front end , and the long sweeping character line from the front of the fender to the rear of the door , then perfectly transitions into sharply raking up line at the 1/4 window . I love it . Where the character line racks up is where I start to say hmmmm and have to question where it leads too . On the clay I dont like how it levels off . I would like to see at the , say , middle of the rear wheel well , a very slight downward slope . Not nearly as dramatic as the 1 st gen , just "a little" more than whats in the clay . Something like that would make that sharp crease that forms the rear of the fender into the bumper look alot classier and a bit more graceful , while bring the rear sightlines down a little bit .

The greenhouse , well ....I dont have hardly anything to complain about there . I love the shape of all the windows and thank god it look like were gonna get a visible body color a-pillar back . My opinions here are bring the side window and rear 1/4 window down to just above the character line . It looks a bit goofy with the side windows raised up like that . I would say , if the raise the character line to meet the windows , but that would make the side of the car look to tall , hmmmm .

I really hope you guys can pull off the lower rocker area . It transitions so well with the wheel well flares . I would imagine the cut into the body that spans the door and ends prior to the rear wheel well on a production car would be less pronounced . But I would hope to something very similar on the end product . Again , make the brake duct functional on the Z28 , and on the lesser models leave it off TOTALLY .The way the whole area is designed , it would look great with nothing there at all . Give the Z's something special Its time is due , it lived the last 10 years of its life looking like a 6 cyl

The front clip is off to GREAT start with a few , again minor tweaks . 1 being the headlights . To me , the shape of the reflectors in alot cases nowadays define the character of the front of the car .They have come lightyears design wise havent they . Its where the new Mustang I feel was 1/2 assed , I like the front clip , but it coulda been ALOT more enhanced by better executed headlight design . Rather than old style refector in a black housing . The headlight reflector in the clay is close . I would set it back a bit more in the housing , a tad . I like the circular design and the flat bottom to follow the bottom line of housing , like the light is sunk a bit into the housing . And I like how the top is left circular , being shadowed by the hood line . By setting the reflector back a tad , it would give a little more sinister look and in certain lighting would shadow out the reflector so it looks tinted . Instead of using a traditional style textured reflector , I would like to see more a jeweled like projector set in a reflector much like the one on the clay .......god , am I details guy or what I love the passenger side front bumper . It = pure attitude . The driverside looks tooo soft . Love the cowl hood too , could that be a sign of clearence for one of those intake manifolds that go weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

The rear of the car is a mixed bag for me . I love the black valance panel where the exhaust tips are , please keep it , please . Its the only part of the car I feel theres no flow . It he taillights put me off , and the upward slopes on the rear deck , like on the C5 , C6 decklid do not work on that design imo . Definately scrape that deck and go for more gracefull arc , with a early 2nd gen type Z28 spoiler blended in . The rear taillight section similar in design to the SS concept would go wonderfully with that car .

Finally , I hope to see wheels with a deep lip . Lipliss wheels work well on a car like the corvette . But man , for design like the clay car a wheel with a deep lip would look soooooo tough .

I better stop now , haha . Like I said , Im a details guy , I could type 10 pages

Save the rest for Detroit , cuz I wouldnt miss this for anything .

 

ok, here' my constructive criticism........

overall, the design is better than i expected it to be. i've always preffered the side profile of the 67-68s, and this is very remeniscent of those.

i like the overall shape of the passenger side better than the driver side.

i think the crease on the lower portion of the car is a little too exagerated, but i don't totally dislike it.

i like the lines of the passenger rear, but would rather see round tailights more in line with the early second gen design.

that's my short list, i'm holding my final judgement for my first in person view of the car in New York, hopefully standing next to Scott so i can give him my real first impression.

i do want to say the design team did a fantastic job with this car and my hat goes off to all who were involved.






p.s.-bring back the ribbon!

 

Gahh.... how could I have missed this? I feel like I stood inline behind the person that bought the winning Powerball Jackpot ticket .

I have just one thing to say to everyone who saw the pics... to quote from Life of Brian..... "You lucky, lucky bastard!" .

 

So is this sigma lite? Epsilon 2? what?

 

I'd like to add that I'm sure the production car won't be as aggresive as this, but i think its cool that GM isn't afraid to show an agressively designed high production vehicle. I like that.
My issues are as follows

»the gauges are too retro for me. I think they are really tacky.
»the seats are awesome...totally awesome. I like them the most of anything about that vehicle.
»the steering wheel looks a bit bland, but i guess it has to when there's an airbag in there.
»the dual over the axle exhaust, really cool.
»I hope that car gets some wide rear tires, it would fit really well with those curved hips on it.
»should have 19's on the back, 18's on the front, with the nose pitched slightly down.
»those rear lights look too much like grandmas glasses

»I like how the headlights are set back in the grille, the shadow gives it a cool sinister look. But the top of the grille, the edge that runs along with the hood of the car, is to austere for a car like this. I can't point it out, but it just doesn't fit the car the way it should, it shouldn't be scapped, but should be redone a bit. The general design is good, but just needs an update.
»The rear corners of the car are could be fixed. If you could subdue those sharp edges by pulling them back and inwards, just the littlest bit. Keep the edge shape, but pull them inwards and towards the rear of the car, and allow the car to have better hips. For some reason, those sharp edges corners, and those little fender flares don't work, we need bigger ones! You need bigger fender flares (although i know a production car could never see a cool feature like that) like the z06's. Actually, you need to consider the z06's rear end, because it has sharp edges and big fender flares, and they match. On these 5th gen pics, the flare and corner don't flow as well.
»I love how the fender's lines start at the passenger window (btw, the triangular passenger window is cool) and go back.
»i think the fog lights could be worked on. It looks like someone said "hey bill, we need fog lights" and they just stuck them on there. They should be encorporated into the design, molded to the lines.
»The hood is ok, but I'd like something a bit more wild/aggressive for my 427 z28 (well...i guess they won't all get 427's, but some have to).
»It looks like someone chopped the roof, I like that shorter windshield look.
»The wheels are nice for a production vehicle.

And Scott, can you tell be whether or not what GM plans on showing is at all different from this car? Also, can you please comment on my suggestions. I would like to hear your take on my suggestions and their practicality and such.

edit: I asked a non car guy friend and non car guy brother what they thought. My brother jumped and shouted "woe, thats awesome!" I asked my friend later and he said "thats a cool looking vette." So i believe the general public, non enthusiasts, will being going crazy when this is shows. It be cool to be on the front page of the news paper, or at least the autosection.

 

were are the pics located at on that site firebirdv6. Or beter yet me a pm

 

Tail-lights: gotta be round like 2nd-gens . I'm not knocking the 1st-gen influence throughout, but it would bring another generation into the car. Otherwise, the back end is great . Although a little spoiler sure wouldn't hurt?

Interior: anyone notice how short the dash is?? I guess they decided to leave the engine OUTSIDE the car instead of INSIDE? (ala 4th-gens ). Also, the floors appear to be FLAT (no "hump") on both sides (which is also evident by looking at the chassis pics) .

IRS: (not the Tax Man!) ... I guess it's the way of the future? It will likely be a selling feature for the "masses" and may give Camaro an edge over the Mustang, which is still using "yesterday's technology". Now can anybody say how a strut suspension in the front will perform compared to A-arms?? (3rd-gens handled pretty good, right??)

Overall, I dig it .

 

So far I like. I think the Grill could be a teensy bit bigger. I like the front design on the drivers side versus the passenger side.

As said before many, I dont like the rear end all that much. It seems almost too narrow compared to the rest of the car. The tail lights I dont like as well as it reminds me of Mazda in some form. I'd rather see something along the lines of a 68 style tail light, or a style more like that of the 3rd gen.

Pleased to see its a proper coupe and has a trunk, I just think it looks better that way. I like profile. It almost looks like a meaner, more pissed off Corvette.

The interior Im so so on. I'd rather have a more modern gauge layout. I do love the seats though. Thats pretty slick lookin.

All in all I'll take one please

 

1) less retro nose ( think 99 nomad)
2) ROUND TAIL LIGHTS!
3) more modern gauges



and make it black.