weight can change for the z28, if it ever comes out. As said by another member, all it has to do is go to z's (z06) school... They are both Z's.

I think (and its a tricky word) it can be done w/o getting into the corvette price range.

Loosing 200lbs would get the manual into the 3650 territory which is just a tad heavier than the lt1 ever was.

remove some of the sound deadening, use a thinner carpet, loose the torque gauge and some of those creature comforts that do not appeal to the enthusiast... a simple radio.. p/w, p/l, p/s and a/c its all that is needed for a daily driver.

There is an option for the z06 where there are no side airbags and such. So a few things could be done to conserve weight. And I am NOT asking for an aluminum chassis... What about strictly eliminating the sunroof for the z28, that they all come manuals...No spare tire?

 

STOP right now! The colors do change from your to year. Less popular ones sometimes get dropped and new ones added. Even the low budget 4th gen had color changes after GM stopped spending money on it. Hugger orange, Pewter, Monterey Maroon, Sunset Orange....

 

FYI, the torque gauge has been dropped across the board.

 

Yea because CAFE is ALL the Democrats doing over the last 1.5 years they've had the majority.......

 

What I'm saying is, that I don't expect lots (if any) changes, MCE's, or anything like that for this car. I don't expect this particulat car to last very long or to have very much money allocated towards any changes for it.

 

"internal price isn't much less"? What are you smoking??

And when you take into consideration the blower, two coolers, extra ducting, extra fead, etc... you can't seriously argue that the LS7 is a more expensive engine. It may be close, because of the volume and labor cost of the LS7, but it's clearly the LS9.

But neither one is even close to what you pay for a LS7 at a dealership.

Finally, this whole argument about cost is kind of silly...because even if you bought a brand new LS7 from a dealership - with huge markup - and put it in an SS, it would still be less than a GT500. It's not like the package would be outrageously expensive and nobody would buy it.

 

Hey there Einstein....you do know that Scott knows more about this than you'll ever dream....right??

Besides, go back and read what he wrote....he was talking about the cost of an LS7 short block and it's retail versus internal cost.....

So put down our own doobie and read what he actually said....

 

Considering you don't know who I am, that doesn't carry much weight.

Companies don't talk in terms of short block costs. The transfer pricing within the company is in engines dressed as they leave the engine plant. I'm talking about the internal cost of the two engines. I know what an average V8 costs to produce, I know the incremental cost for the LS7 features, and I know the incremental cost for the LS9 features.

I also know what kind of markup gets put onto an engine before you buy it at the dealership.

To say it costs GM $16k to produce an LS7 is just wrong. Not trying to be insulting...but wtf.

 

dude, you really need to check yourself, and your facts. Thats all im gonna say.

 

So Katech charging over $21k to over $29k for engines that don't have 100k mile warranties is even more unbelievable....right??

http://www.katechengines.com/street_...e_packages.php

 

No, that's believable. You can pay $50k for a one-off drag engine, too.

That has zero to do with what it costs GM to manufacture an engine, though.

Do you have a concept of what the engine in your car costs? That's a better question than yours.

 

OK?

I won't say the 5th gen will last as long as the 4th gen but that's just the nature of how long production cars last these days. IF GM has most programs on hold including the C7 for numerous reasons then I'd say they will ride this gen Camaro for a bit longer than you seem to think. If they don't have a replacement Alpha or not they arn't likely to just drop the Camaro line w/o replacement. In fact I think they've said if the Camaro dies again it won't be on hiatus.

That being said, color changes are just normal yearly updates for any car and are not expensive. GM will still make improvements on this car as they do on any vehicle. That won't change.

 

My feeling is that this particular program is simply unsustainable by GM for very long. I wonder what the cost numbers are, to run the Oshawa line for 50-60,000 Camaros --- when it was built for 400,000 Zetas? Oh yeah, Zeta. I'm sure control arms, bushings, steering columns, etc, don't have the same unit cost from suppliers when you only order less than 20% of the originally planned volume.

By 2011, the most fuel sipping Camaro will be more than 5 mpg below CAFE standards. 7 MPG below the year after. 8 MPG below the year after that, and so on. That's for the V6 mind you. That's going to be a BIG problem for someone.

When Alpha comes online, it will need Chevy to give it the volume which Zeta never realized. If there is a Camaro on Alpha, GM will need to bring it quickly, for cost reasons, CAFE reasons, and consumer acceptance reasons.

Yeah, they might throw a new color on the 5th gen in meantime - I was just having some fun with those guys.

 

Uh no, not all of CAFE is because of the last 1.5 years. But the NEW proposed standards HAVE come up in the last 1.5 years. The standards that are strangling automakers. Thank Nancy Peloci and her miniuns of tree hugging nut bags for trying to stifle the American auto industry.
Perhaps Scott could enlighten in a more politically correct way. Me, I don't HAVE to say nice things about that Moonbat Peloci.

 

So hand built engines have nothing in common?

I have plenty of insight of what things cost...you seem to think that GM can magicaly hand build engines for less than half of what it takes a private company......all the while providing warranties, paying benefits, etc.....right.