R.i.p. Z/28
09-04-2008, 02:36 PM
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Of course I am exaggerating a bit here. However, the need to rethink what and how we reach the perfomance levels we really want is going to take a major rethink on the part of the industry and the consumer.
To me after over 100 years of Gasoline powered autos, this is going to be a huge change for the General Public. Is it tantamount to the Manhattan Project and the rush to solve the energy Crisis? Perhaps and Perhaps not?
Where will we be in 10 years. God forbid we end up with some of the junk we had to endure in the past. 170 HP Z28's with a strangled 305, Iron Duke 4 Cylinders - come to mind here.
Like it or not the way we think about automobiles is and will continue to change. Will they be Hybrids? Fuel Cell? Turbos? Diesels? Plug In's? There will be some interesting vehicles onthe Market in the not-too-distant future.
If you don't like that .... Sorry..... I won't however, engage in name calling or insulting people.
To me after over 100 years of Gasoline powered autos, this is going to be a huge change for the General Public. Is it tantamount to the Manhattan Project and the rush to solve the energy Crisis? Perhaps and Perhaps not?
Where will we be in 10 years. God forbid we end up with some of the junk we had to endure in the past. 170 HP Z28's with a strangled 305, Iron Duke 4 Cylinders - come to mind here.
Like it or not the way we think about automobiles is and will continue to change. Will they be Hybrids? Fuel Cell? Turbos? Diesels? Plug In's? There will be some interesting vehicles onthe Market in the not-too-distant future.
If you don't like that .... Sorry..... I won't however, engage in name calling or insulting people.
John? Is that you?
Charlie from the ICC....
09-04-2008, 02:39 PM
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Of course I am exaggerating a bit here. However, the need to rethink what and how we reach the perfomance levels we really want is going to take a major rethink on the part of the industry and the consumer.
To me after over 100 years of Gasoline powered autos, this is going to be a huge change for the General Public. Is it tantamount to the Manhattan Project and the rush to solve the energy Crisis? Perhaps and Perhaps not?
Where will we be in 10 years. God forbid we end up with some of the junk we had to endure in the past. 170 HP Z28's with a strangled 305, Iron Duke 4 Cylinders - come to mind here.
Like it or not the way we think about automobiles is and will continue to change. Will they be Hybrids? Fuel Cell? Turbos? Diesels? Plug In's? There will be some interesting vehicles onthe Market in the not-too-distant future.
If you don't like that .... Sorry..... I won't however, engage in name calling or insulting people.
To me after over 100 years of Gasoline powered autos, this is going to be a huge change for the General Public. Is it tantamount to the Manhattan Project and the rush to solve the energy Crisis? Perhaps and Perhaps not?
Where will we be in 10 years. God forbid we end up with some of the junk we had to endure in the past. 170 HP Z28's with a strangled 305, Iron Duke 4 Cylinders - come to mind here.
Like it or not the way we think about automobiles is and will continue to change. Will they be Hybrids? Fuel Cell? Turbos? Diesels? Plug In's? There will be some interesting vehicles onthe Market in the not-too-distant future.
If you don't like that .... Sorry..... I won't however, engage in name calling or insulting people.
09-04-2008, 02:40 PM
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And what I am saying is GM already builds a crate motor version of the LS3 with the cam swap (LS376/480) that puts out 480hp. It actually retails for about the same price as the regular 430hp LS3 crate motor. Just certify that engine for 50-state emissions and you have almost LS7 power for 1/3 of the price. 
09-04-2008, 02:48 PM
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And what I am saying is GM already builds a crate motor version of the LS3 with the cam swap (LS376/480) that puts out 480hp. It actually retails for about the same price as the regular 430hp LS3 crate motor. Just certify that engine for 50-state emissions and you have almost LS7 power for 1/3 of the price.
*light goes on over CJ's head*
oh, I get ya now. I'm all for it.
09-04-2008, 02:50 PM
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09-04-2008, 03:20 PM
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Just saying I won't go there.
I try to be as respectful as I can when posting my comments. Just the way I am.
I try to be as respectful as I can when posting my comments. Just the way I am.
09-04-2008, 03:28 PM
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09-04-2008, 05:12 PM
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Of course I am exaggerating a bit here. However, the need to rethink what and how we reach the perfomance levels we really want is going to take a major rethink on the part of the industry and the consumer.
To me after over 100 years of Gasoline powered autos, this is going to be a huge change for the General Public. Is it tantamount to the Manhattan Project and the rush to solve the energy Crisis? Perhaps and Perhaps not?
Where will we be in 10 years. God forbid we end up with some of the junk we had to endure in the past. 170 HP Z28's with a strangled 305, Iron Duke 4 Cylinders - come to mind here.
Like it or not the way we think about automobiles is and will continue to change. Will they be Hybrids? Fuel Cell? Turbos? Diesels? Plug In's? There will be some interesting vehicles onthe Market in the not-too-distant future......
To me after over 100 years of Gasoline powered autos, this is going to be a huge change for the General Public. Is it tantamount to the Manhattan Project and the rush to solve the energy Crisis? Perhaps and Perhaps not?
Where will we be in 10 years. God forbid we end up with some of the junk we had to endure in the past. 170 HP Z28's with a strangled 305, Iron Duke 4 Cylinders - come to mind here.
Like it or not the way we think about automobiles is and will continue to change. Will they be Hybrids? Fuel Cell? Turbos? Diesels? Plug In's? There will be some interesting vehicles onthe Market in the not-too-distant future......
09-04-2008, 10:06 PM
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Seriously?
I can't say publicly -- but I'll say this: your teeth would hurt if I told you.
You cannot believe the difference in price. (go try and order a shortblock LS7 thru a GM dealer -- and know that the 'internal' price isn't much less!) (remember -- they're hand built.............)
09-05-2008, 07:47 AM
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I'll say it again.......spend the $$ on making it lighter .... I'll make the LS3 faster, thank you.
I want lighter suspension members, lighter (read: aluminum, hydroformed) suspension and engine cradles, the loss of extraneous options, FWIW, anything that adds weight and no performance enhancement (i.e. body mods), etc... (Don't the "High Mileage" versions of the small cars and now some trucks use aluminum suspension members to achieve their goal?)
I want titanium mufflers; at the very least...the whole system if possible.
I want even better brakes...or at least cross drilled rotors with better pads.
I want a better shock and spring package...lowered, if at all possible. Add in a more aggressive alignment spec too.
I want forged wheels... <19" will work for me...
I want more (race) supportive seats.
Is that too much to ask?
I want lighter suspension members, lighter (read: aluminum, hydroformed) suspension and engine cradles, the loss of extraneous options, FWIW, anything that adds weight and no performance enhancement (i.e. body mods), etc... (Don't the "High Mileage" versions of the small cars and now some trucks use aluminum suspension members to achieve their goal?)
I want titanium mufflers; at the very least...the whole system if possible.
I want even better brakes...or at least cross drilled rotors with better pads.
I want a better shock and spring package...lowered, if at all possible. Add in a more aggressive alignment spec too.
I want forged wheels... <19" will work for me...
I want more (race) supportive seats.
Is that too much to ask?
Last edited by Doug Harden; 09-05-2008 at 07:49 AM.
09-05-2008, 10:13 AM
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I'll say it again.......spend the $$ on making it lighter .... I'll make the LS3 faster, thank you.
I want lighter suspension members, lighter (read: aluminum, hydroformed) suspension and engine cradles, the loss of extraneous options, FWIW, anything that adds weight and no performance enhancement (i.e. body mods), etc... (Don't the "High Mileage" versions of the small cars and now some trucks use aluminum suspension members to achieve their goal?)
I want titanium mufflers; at the very least...the whole system if possible.
I want even better brakes...or at least cross drilled rotors with better pads.
I want a better shock and spring package...lowered, if at all possible. Add in a more aggressive alignment spec too.
I want forged wheels... <19" will work for me...
I want more (race) supportive seats.
Is that too much to ask?
I want lighter suspension members, lighter (read: aluminum, hydroformed) suspension and engine cradles, the loss of extraneous options, FWIW, anything that adds weight and no performance enhancement (i.e. body mods), etc... (Don't the "High Mileage" versions of the small cars and now some trucks use aluminum suspension members to achieve their goal?)
I want titanium mufflers; at the very least...the whole system if possible.
I want even better brakes...or at least cross drilled rotors with better pads.
I want a better shock and spring package...lowered, if at all possible. Add in a more aggressive alignment spec too.
I want forged wheels... <19" will work for me...
I want more (race) supportive seats.
Is that too much to ask?
Doug, you know I want the exact same thing as you, bud. Maybe I need someone to help me see how it could materialize though.
And how much weight could this car possibly lose when compared to an SS? 25 pounds? 50?
You know, we were talking about discipline in the other thread, regarding names. Can this car we're getting, actually be turned into a Z/28?
09-05-2008, 10:40 AM
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Why not simply use the 480hp hot cam version of the LS3, add a free flowing exhaust (GM has already hinted a dealer installed version will be available), bigger brakes, sway bars etc? Heck with the hot cam LS3, exhaust and a better intake, GM should be able to make north of 500hp.
The only problem I see is all these options will be available at the GM Parts counter and anyone with deep pockets would be able to turn their SS into a Z/28. But then, perhaps that's what GM wants.
09-05-2008, 11:15 AM
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Wouldn't bother me if the performance was there. Afterall, the first generation was a small displacement Trans Am style roadracer. I mean, the original was "only" a 302 in the days when 350 cubes and up was the norm for performance cars with most of the "serious" ones being 390 cubes and up.