Guys gotta remember, GT500 has at least another 100 warranty ready horses (and likely even more) in reserve. The GT500 isn't going to be a stagnant target.

 

Exactly.

A guy with a Vert GT-500 that is bone stock except for some slicks just ran a 12.1 at 116...stock. That is out of a 4200# car. Evolution performance is seeing some Low 11's right now in their basic bolt on GT-500 and very well may dip into the 10's here soon with colder whether comming up.

The GT-500 is indeed a pig, but it is powerful and will not be an easy target come time for the new Camaro to come out. By then the aftermarkt will have caught up and we will be seeing some 600 RWHP Shelby's. So far the only limiting factors are the rods. The rods seem to be only good for around 700 HP at the Crank which around 630-50 HP at the wheels.

We are either going to have to be lighter, with a good ammount of power, or we are going to have to be just as easily modable as the FI GT-500.

Don't be surprised either if Ford comes out with something more potent in the next 3 years...the Muscle Car wars are in full swing and when we come out of the gates we need to be strapped with nukes for engines if we hope to kill the competion.

 

I saw you said something to this effect in another post as well. Can you show me something in writing from Ford that supports this statement?

 

There you go. I would guess in this situation CS has as much say as anyone else.

 

You're taking that quote out of context.

He means Ford can up the horsepower and offer a warranty, not that a consumer can up the horsepower and still have a warranty.

 

You're taking Guy's quote out of context.

He's saying exactly that! Ford can up the horsepower under warranty. People are claiming this yet nonexistent engine is going to obliterate the GT500, Gus is saying this is false because the power can be raised at any time, by Ford.

You think anyone on this site doesen't know that non factory big hp jumps will void your warranty.

 

Even with the 2 valve design GM has shown they can do 500 HP with a hand built engine, and 400+ HP with a mass produced engine (re: cheaper). Just for comparison sake, the heads for the L92 can be had for $167.00 bare, vs the LS7 heads which are $900 bare.

Per this post:

http://ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=499059

It looks like the L92 has at least a little left in it, and (I am assuming here) when GM uses a car cam instead of a truck cam the power will be up a little on it. I dont think GM would have many problems getting 425-450 HP out of a L92.

From a bean-counter perspective, there's not going to be much of a justification to spend money for the 3v head if it is going to be 470 HP when the work is already done on a 425-450 2v motor. I'm going to go out on a limb here since I'm not hip to any inside info, but I bet that 3v motor will be pushing 500+ HP easy, and it'll have to do it in a fairly cost-effective manner.

 

Anyone else see a point of diminishing returns on horsepower? 600? 700? I mean you've got to actually get that to ground, right?

Whitten mentioned that a GT500 convertible with slicks ran low 12's. Okay, great. But 500 hp + 4,200 lbs + slicks = broken car, may even on the very next run. And all that just for low 12's.

Beyond a certain point, I am not at all dazzled by ultra-high hp figures.

 

Hmmm, I read this earlier

and thought for some reason it meant that it was being said that the consumer would still have a warranty after mods not exceeding 600HP.

I really question how he got "certified to be warrantied" from that statement though

Regardless, even though Mr. Shelby can say it, doesn't mean Ford will. What he says doesn't amout to squat in the whole scheme of things.

I highly doubt he has veto power over the rest of Ford's engineering, executive, and financial departments.

 

The 3v proposal that this thread is about is dead.

 

Im not suggesting that he does. However the entire purpose of this car is generate traffic and throw out some impressive numbers. Shelby's name is synonomous with this, thats at least part of the reason why his name is on it.

So in this case, the power the bigwigs have is likely going in the same direction his is. I highly doubt Ford is going to let GM walk away with the HP Crown if they can help it.

 

As long as Ford keeps using those superchargers, they can try to keep up...

 

You can get a goodly ammount of power just out of doing some minor tweaks that will not void your warranty. On Terminators, a cat back exhaust system was very often times worth about 25-40 HP...yeah just a cat back. Removal of the Mid Pipe with the 4 cats (2 on each side) often times yielded as much as 50 rwhp depending on if the car had clogged cats from the factory as several did. Up next was the intake that on average gave about 30 Hp to the car.

Each of the above mods were warranty friendly and would pass almost every dealerships test for mods.

So far the Shelby's are turning out to have just the same modability, early exhaust systems, as well as intakes are combining to give people upwards of 50 HP gains. Putting headers, intake, full exhaust and a few other goodies will allow most people to add nearly 100 HP and still keep their factory warranty.

Granted this car is heavy, but it is performing well already and it has only been availble to the public for about 2 months now. It is the car to beat no matter if in the future it falls apart, performance wise it is what everyone is going to compare the upper level Camaro to.
The good thing is the Camaro can still out perform it, it just has to be lighter not necessarily more powerful. Ofcoarse we will all want a factory Camaro that will come equiped with 600 HP but logicially speaking it just won't happen on a large scale.

Based on what I am seeing from this early info concerning the aformentioned motor, We are seeing a high test mule version of what could be later detuned to a base model V8 in an SS Camaro. I guess time and patience will tell.

 

Is it dead-dead, or is it GM dead?