Silver2009

Yep....cant wait for the GT500 smack down. Take that Found On Road Dead HOME!

2010_5thgen

oh my god, i hope they bring a Z out that is like the boss 302. i love the idea of the 302. i just hate the fact its a ford. i would be allllllll over a Z28 if its like the boss.

JakeRobb

Re: ZL1, they kinda listened to me! I'm guessing I missed the mark on price point and related stuff though:

https://www.camaroz28.com/forums/sho...&postcount=199

Here's hoping I was on the right track with Z28 as well.

96_Camaro_B4C

I sure as hell hope you missed the mark on price. Plus, I think the LSA is probably sufficient. And I'd rather they built as many as people will buy (like they do with the Z06) than create some stupid collector car that will never depreciate to the point that regular folks will be able to afford them.

jg95z28

Based on the comments from the chat, it sounds like if a Camaro is created to go after the Boss 302 niche (i.e. Z28), it may have lower production numbers than the ZL1. I hope that is not the case.

Personally, I am torn that they called the LSA Camaro ZL1. Now its going to open up the whole "top dog" debate all over again. I see the ZL1 as the Camaro equivalent to the Corvette ZR1... a high content ultra luxury/performance car, but not necessarily the best track car. Its for boys (and girls) with deep pockets that want performance but still like niceties like heated seats and rear-view cameras. (I mean come on... a suede dash in a "track car"?)

My hopes for the Z28 are for either a TTV6 or big displacement N/A V8 (LS7), and a better tuned suspension with better brakes (Over LT/SS), and some weight reduction. (Carbon fiber hood, trunk, etc.) And I hope to God there's an automatic transmission option.

Hylton

I am very pleased to see how they approached the ZL1 assuming that there will be a Z28 which is heavy on the performance and light in weight. Similar to the SSX in terms of being "all business".

The Boss 302 is a stripper car and I would be very surprised if the Z was not as well. Engine? Who knows.......maybe the upcoming 5.5?

JakeRobb

Well, my original prediction was staying closer to the original ZL1 formula: Chevy's most powerful engine (the aluminum 427 then, the LS9 now), and a very limited production run. This ZL1 isn't going quite that far, so it's reasonable that the price will be lower too.

99SilverSS

The whole reason why the ZL1 has the LSA is because of cost. LS7 and LS9 are out of the question for the Camaro. If the ZL1 didn't get a LS7 then a lower price point Z28 wouldn't get it either. (Assuming GM follows the BOSS 302 pricing plan)

Our best chance for a Z28 is really a 1SS. No RS/Leather/Sunroof to keep cost down. But having the MRC, suspension, and wheel/tire combo from the ZL1. LS3 only with ZL1 exhaust to pick up a few more HP.

Z28 would be less Z06 and more Grand Sport.

jg95z28

Actually the LSA and LS7 now cost roughly the same amount if you're looking at purchasing a crate motor.***

I think a better option would be instead of a hand built LS7 would be to create a production line version (Heck call it LSZ), or even the "hot-cam" version of the LS3 (which is good for 480hp).

I think its going to need around 500hp to keep up with Joneses as there will need to be a balance between cost and weight reduction to keep the price down. Which is also why I'm not against a twin-turbo V6.

*** The LS7 is actually $3000 less than the LSA
http://www.jegs.com/i/GM-Performance...ductId=1503674
http://www.jegs.com/i/GM-Performance...ductId=1224593

IZ28

To me there is still no debate. Z28 is the Camaro icon and ZL1 was a "top Camaro" for one year of Camaro history, if you could even call it that since it was an engine and not an official model. Also, almost no one knew or knows of them. Z28 has been the top car for more years than any other model and I doubt that ZL1 will be around nearly as long as even SS has been on the car. I think after it disappears for whatever reason, (emissions, MPG, etc.) Z28 will return to the top. It will probably be around when ZL1 is long gone. But for now, I see Z28 and ZL1 co-existing as 2 top cars with different missions in the 5th Gen.

I'd like to see the SS get a tire and gear option to help it against the GT. But, I'd really like to see them go all-out for a potential Boss outperformer. Maybe a retuned LS3 with 475HP/470TQ, 3,750lbs., short throw shifter, special seats, lighter rims with way wider tires like ZL1, better gears, race tuned suspension, unique Z28 looks, and slightly decontented except for the gauges in the console. No sunroof, convertible, ambient lighting, HUD, etc. A drivers car is what the Z28 or Z/28 needs to be, possibly manual only. Maybe with an MSRP of about $40-42,000 or near what the Boss goes for. Really just follow what they're doing with that car and do it a little better.

When I saw the Boss I thought, wow, they're making a Z28-like car, yet we have no Z28, and we created that type of car! Unbelieveable! I laughed when I saw a Laguna Seca model, the place where the Z28 owned the Boss over and over again lol. I admit I like they way they're handling the car though, we need the same fan service. Build it and they will come Chevrolet.

Z28x

I don't think we will ever get a factory supercharged V8 Camaro after the 5th gen is gone. That is another reason the ZL1 name was a good choice. If they used Z28 then we would have a 550-600HP car for 2012-2014 and then in 2015 when the 6th gen comes out we would probably see a 475HP 6.2L Z28. People would have been pissed the HP dropped. Expectations are that it will always go up with every generation of car and that just isn't realistic.

Z28 could use the ZL1 suspension and other parts, but have an LS3, and a focus on weight reduction. Get it up to 440HP with some easy tweaks and sell it for just under what the Boss sells for and people will be happy.

IZ28

Agreed. When the 6th Gen comes out though, I'd hope that we shouldn't need so much power and S/C's for the lighter chassis.

Your 5th Z28 formula is good but the problem is 440HP won't cut it against a car as "light" as the Boss, which has the same power. I don't see a weight reduced 5th coming in much lighter than 3,800lbs., and 3,750lbs. is probably far fetched. We're gonna need something in the 475HP range and serious suspension work/better steering feel to be ahead and put an exclamation on it. Unless they just want to be a tenth faster, which is kinda pointless. The Boss is capable of 1g, they have work to do on the Camaro to get it over that.

2010_5thgen

so what motor are we guessing will be in a Z28? 6.2 hot cam, lsa,7.0, di 6.2?

JasonD

I wouldn't even start guessing on Z28 engine. Who knows what will be available at that time?

2010_5thgen

there a guy on moderncamaro(54inches), saying he knows for a fact it will be the lsa. im just asking, hoping hes not right.