I need to ask 1 serious question.....
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Joined: Aug 2003
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From: Middle of Kansas
Ok here is something for you.
After Lutz was posed the question of why GM would chose to abandon the minivan market after Chrysler just showed their new offerings Lutz response was that "I'd rather put my money into these (EV)'s in what will sell than minivans."
So. Lets sit back and look at things.
I'll ask again, why should the Camaro be resurrected? My #1 reasoning is gas prices. By the time the Camaro comes out, we are very likely looking at $3.00 a gallon gas.
GM will be promoting (to high hell) a 300hp (at least) V8 engine, that they expect to sell in essence of 100k per year.
Plain and simply put, why give the tree huggers something new to bash GM about?
I sat two chairs away (literally) from the guy that made the "documentary" of the EV1's death. Once Bob said that the Volt would NEVER use gas if you drove under 40 miles a day, he stood up, clapped, and shouted.
My point is this. Looking forward, there is absolutely no reason why the Camaro need to be revived. Not in a world of rising gas prices. Sure, we're getting it easy now in the midwest due to warmer gas climates, BUT if this really is global warming like many think (which I say is BS) then what happens once the summer hits and the A/C goes on, and gas touches $4.00 a gallon...and that's just this year?
My point is. GM need not revisit its past on the Camaro. If you think it deserves a second chance because it was "done wrong" the first time around, then you do not have the best interest of GM around.
Ford may continue to build the Mustang from here on out. But let's face it. They are only selling the Mustang...and won't be around at #2 for long.
Just something to chew on.
Oh and, no, I wasn't drunk during this post either. Idiot.
After Lutz was posed the question of why GM would chose to abandon the minivan market after Chrysler just showed their new offerings Lutz response was that "I'd rather put my money into these (EV)'s in what will sell than minivans."
So. Lets sit back and look at things.
I'll ask again, why should the Camaro be resurrected? My #1 reasoning is gas prices. By the time the Camaro comes out, we are very likely looking at $3.00 a gallon gas.
GM will be promoting (to high hell) a 300hp (at least) V8 engine, that they expect to sell in essence of 100k per year.
Plain and simply put, why give the tree huggers something new to bash GM about?
I sat two chairs away (literally) from the guy that made the "documentary" of the EV1's death. Once Bob said that the Volt would NEVER use gas if you drove under 40 miles a day, he stood up, clapped, and shouted.
My point is this. Looking forward, there is absolutely no reason why the Camaro need to be revived. Not in a world of rising gas prices. Sure, we're getting it easy now in the midwest due to warmer gas climates, BUT if this really is global warming like many think (which I say is BS) then what happens once the summer hits and the A/C goes on, and gas touches $4.00 a gallon...and that's just this year?
My point is. GM need not revisit its past on the Camaro. If you think it deserves a second chance because it was "done wrong" the first time around, then you do not have the best interest of GM around.
Ford may continue to build the Mustang from here on out. But let's face it. They are only selling the Mustang...and won't be around at #2 for long.
Just something to chew on.
Oh and, no, I wasn't drunk during this post either. Idiot.
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Joined: Mar 2004
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From: Jersey Shore
I knew I should have hurt you when I had the chance.....
As stated by everyone here, its about what is your cup of tea. To me, Camaro is more then just my cup of tea. Its the kettle, the stove, kitchen, house and the neighborhood. I grew up in one, I started my driving life with one, and will be waiting to see this great car hit showrooms.
Guy made a good point, there are people who associate Camaro with the rip snorting 4th gens, and then people who associate the Camaro as a personal sports car with several levels of trim to fit everyones personality. While it might have taken up the same percentage of sales overall, it didnt appeal to the same people it once did.
Anyway, why should Camaro be reborn? I dont think there is one straight out easy answer. We can explain to you what Camaro means to people, how it has changed over the years, what happend to it, but I belive it falls into the fact that people like myself love the car enough to cause GM to reverse itself and create such a vehicle. Not only that, but to make sure that the vehicle excites not only old, but current and future enthusiasts with the design, performance and overall attitude.
There is a love for small sport roadsters
There is a love for large SUV's
There is a love for large land boats
There is a love for sporty euro sedans
and then there is the love for muscular coupes...modern day "muscle car" if you will.
As stated by everyone here, its about what is your cup of tea. To me, Camaro is more then just my cup of tea. Its the kettle, the stove, kitchen, house and the neighborhood. I grew up in one, I started my driving life with one, and will be waiting to see this great car hit showrooms.
Guy made a good point, there are people who associate Camaro with the rip snorting 4th gens, and then people who associate the Camaro as a personal sports car with several levels of trim to fit everyones personality. While it might have taken up the same percentage of sales overall, it didnt appeal to the same people it once did.
Anyway, why should Camaro be reborn? I dont think there is one straight out easy answer. We can explain to you what Camaro means to people, how it has changed over the years, what happend to it, but I belive it falls into the fact that people like myself love the car enough to cause GM to reverse itself and create such a vehicle. Not only that, but to make sure that the vehicle excites not only old, but current and future enthusiasts with the design, performance and overall attitude.
There is a love for small sport roadsters
There is a love for large SUV's
There is a love for large land boats
There is a love for sporty euro sedans
and then there is the love for muscular coupes...modern day "muscle car" if you will.
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From: New Orleans, LA
This is honestly something I may live to regret, or something I may live to appreciate.
Being 22 (going on 23 very soon) I've often wondered what the mystique around the Camaro was with buyers. My buddy who is 22 also has a '99 Camaro SS. One of only 400 made with his specs. I've grown up with him, so naturally I appreciate what he has to say about a car.
The Camaro is the #3 most recognized name in automotive history. The Camaro was made once Ford debuted and subsequently produced the Mustang.
But, Being a young buyer in this auto market I've found solstice in the SOLSTICE. Am I wrong being young, in the same target market that GM hopes to attract or, is GM attempting to hearken back to days of old and tap into the 40+ age demographic that is seemingly forgetting to keep them out of car buying decisions?
Further more, Why, exactly should the Camaro be made? (I know, this will light a fire storm of bull****, but I really, REALLY want to know.)
I ask this in the best faith. Quite honestly.......And this is straight to the point, the Camaro doesn't deserve to be resurrected.
Being 22 (going on 23 very soon) I've often wondered what the mystique around the Camaro was with buyers. My buddy who is 22 also has a '99 Camaro SS. One of only 400 made with his specs. I've grown up with him, so naturally I appreciate what he has to say about a car.
The Camaro is the #3 most recognized name in automotive history. The Camaro was made once Ford debuted and subsequently produced the Mustang.
But, Being a young buyer in this auto market I've found solstice in the SOLSTICE. Am I wrong being young, in the same target market that GM hopes to attract or, is GM attempting to hearken back to days of old and tap into the 40+ age demographic that is seemingly forgetting to keep them out of car buying decisions?
Further more, Why, exactly should the Camaro be made? (I know, this will light a fire storm of bull****, but I really, REALLY want to know.)
I ask this in the best faith. Quite honestly.......And this is straight to the point, the Camaro doesn't deserve to be resurrected.
just wow.
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Global warming, Gas prices and politics aside; you build cars people want to buy, if you want to be profitable, right?
More than a lot of people have shown a great interest in buying a new Camaro if offered.
By the Mustang sales yardstick, there's a strong Pony car market, and it rises and falls with the aging of society, up-turns and down-turns.
If all people bought cars as strickly "modes" of environmentally friendly, economical transportation, most car makers would'nt be where they are today.
Desire, and often forgotten factor, sells more product than common sense.
And the New Camaro seems to have found plenty of it once again!
Numbers don't cover the intangibles, and they are sometimes the most important factors in selling a product.
They need to strike while the iron is hot, adapt with the coming changes, maintain a fresh look, and it will continue to be very profitable.
Some things are timeless, and "Camaro" seems to be one of them.
As for the Global Warming Kyoto "World Tax" ruse, see below...solid scientific evidence shows we have no more effect on it as we do on how the Sun shines...
More than a lot of people have shown a great interest in buying a new Camaro if offered.
By the Mustang sales yardstick, there's a strong Pony car market, and it rises and falls with the aging of society, up-turns and down-turns.
If all people bought cars as strickly "modes" of environmentally friendly, economical transportation, most car makers would'nt be where they are today.
Desire, and often forgotten factor, sells more product than common sense.
And the New Camaro seems to have found plenty of it once again!
Numbers don't cover the intangibles, and they are sometimes the most important factors in selling a product.
They need to strike while the iron is hot, adapt with the coming changes, maintain a fresh look, and it will continue to be very profitable.
Some things are timeless, and "Camaro" seems to be one of them.
As for the Global Warming Kyoto "World Tax" ruse, see below...solid scientific evidence shows we have no more effect on it as we do on how the Sun shines...
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