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Old Dec 31, 2006 | 01:43 AM
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I need to ask 1 serious question.....

This is honestly something I may live to regret, or something I may live to appreciate.

Being 22 (going on 23 very soon) I've often wondered what the mystique around the Camaro was with buyers. My buddy who is 22 also has a '99 Camaro SS. One of only 400 made with his specs. I've grown up with him, so naturally I appreciate what he has to say about a car.

The Camaro is the #3 most recognized name in automotive history. The Camaro was made once Ford debuted and subsequently produced the Mustang.

But, Being a young buyer in this auto market I've found solstice in the SOLSTICE. Am I wrong being young, in the same target market that GM hopes to attract or, is GM attempting to hearken back to days of old and tap into the 40+ age demographic that is seemingly forgetting to keep them out of car buying decisions?

Further more, Why, exactly should the Camaro be made? (I know, this will light a fire storm of bull****, but I really, REALLY want to know.)

I ask this in the best faith. Quite honestly.......And this is straight to the point, the Camaro doesn't deserve to be resurrected.
Old Dec 31, 2006 | 02:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Josh452
.......And this is straight to the point, the Camaro doesn't deserve to be resurrected.
.................WW!!!

This is gonna be a good one....think I'll just sit back and watch!
Old Dec 31, 2006 | 02:55 AM
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I think it will attract everybody like the new retro mustang. I am 19 and i love the 1st generation camaros because i have a 1967 camaro SS. All people young kids or even people who lived through the muscle car wars appreciate the 1st gen. camaros. The new camaro brings that car back to life in the retro camaro. Hopefully it will set off the pony wars again.
Old Dec 31, 2006 | 04:01 AM
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Why make a Camaro? Why make a Nissan Z? Why make a Jaguar XK? Why make a VW Bug? Hell, why even make a Corvette? Gee, this is a tough one, but could it be because people will buy it?

Mustang is selling like crazy, so obviouslly there is a market, even if some are not so sceptical about it. If it doesnt strike your fancy, you shouldnt feel alone because there are even some Camaro lovers who in fact loath it. But from what Ive read in the news and everywhere else, the new Camaro appeals to more than just Camaro enthusiasts. There are a hell of a lot of people who say, Camaro or not, that is one fine automobile. And thats exactly what this is about. We are not talking about Toyota Camrys or VW Passats. It would be a pretty depressing industry if none of the companies ever decided to get up every once in a while and have some fun. Cars like the Camaro, the Mustang, the Ferraris, the Aston Martins strike a cord with certain people. This isnt about being sensible, its about having a passion about something totally awe inspiring. Its not even about being fast, though some will say that that is exactly what its about. Its about artistic flare, a cool if you will. I could spend my days driving a Ford Focus, but driving a beautiful car is like staring at a beautiful woman. Its what turns your blood from the lukewarm of an economy car to hot blitzing fire of a Vette. The Camaro is an expression of a style that should not just be forgotten if nothing else. Its a good memory that survived, along with the Mustang. And best of all, its one of those cars that is so independent that no other company in the world could make it.

Now, just think, that there is other people in the world that think just like I do...and there is your answer. Its not the point of "why" I find the Camaro great, its the point that I do find it great as well as many others. They resurected the Camaro for people like me, and all the others on this website, as well as many newcomers down the road who see exactly what we saw about the orginal.
Old Dec 31, 2006 | 04:01 AM
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Well, of course everyone has different opinions and tastes.

The Camaro absolutely deserves to be resurrected. It is an American icon and has enough appeal to do very well.

Just look at the national and dare I say international sensation it has caused... what do you mean it does not deserve to come back!?

Whether you like the car or not, it does have appeal to folks of all ages, and this time around, I think to even a broader spectrum of people than before.

Enjoy your Solstice, they would not make 'em if they could not sell them. It is a fine car, but I will enjoy my Camaro.

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Old Dec 31, 2006 | 05:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Josh452
Being 22 (going on 23 very soon) I've often wondered what the mystique around the Camaro was with buyers.

I ask this in the best faith. Quite honestly.......And this is straight to the point, the Camaro doesn't deserve to be resurrected.
Read jaymac's post for your answer . I full-heartedly agree . IMO, the Camaro IS and always HAS been equally as "cool" as a Corvette, just in different ways.

Originally Posted by jaymac332
...the new Camaro appeals to more than just Camaro enthusiasts. There are a hell of a lot of people who say, Camaro or not, that is one fine automobile. And thats exactly what this is about. We are not talking about Toyota Camrys or VW Passats. It would be a pretty depressing industry if none of the companies ever decided to get up every once in a while and have some fun. Cars like the Camaro, the Mustang, the Ferraris, the Aston Martins strike a cord with certain people. This isnt about being sensible, its about having a passion about something totally awe inspiring. Its not even about being fast, though some will say that that is exactly what its about. Its about artistic flare, a cool if you will. I could spend my days driving a Ford Focus, but driving a beautiful car is like staring at a beautiful woman. Its what turns your blood from the lukewarm of an economy car to hot blitzing fire of a Vette. The Camaro is an expression of a style that should not just be forgotten if nothing else. Its a good memory that survived, along with the Mustang. And best of all, its one of those cars that is so independent that no other company in the world could make it.
This is just simply QUOTE-worthy!

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Just look at the national and dare I say international sensation it has caused... what do you mean it does not deserve to come back!?
It didn't deserve to be killed off in the first place . Damn GM for letting it go like they did, but damn them even more if they didn't bring it back! The Camaro just "belongs" ... like peas & carrots, peanut-butter & jelly ..... it's the life-long rival of the Mustang, and it inspires passion in an otherwise boring world of un-inspiring vehicles. This new Camaro has drawn attention from people I know who drive "boring" cars, and could otherwise give 2 ***** about a "sports car" ... and yet they've said to me (knowing I'm a Camaro guy) "hey, have you seen the new Camaro? It looks really awesome/nice ... I really like it" ... not bad for a bunch of people who don't care for cars, and would probably slag GM for being a crappy car company given the opportunity .

Josh, if the Solstice suits your needs and your "wants" in a car, then I'm happy to hear that GM has found an answer for yet another segment of the market . But myself and a few thousand of my buddies here on CamaroZ28.com, and a whole helluvalotta people across North America are going to line up at GM dealerships in the not-so-distant future for our shot at one of the greatest cars that (IMO) is EVER going to be produced by The General ... and its name is CAMARO .
Old Dec 31, 2006 | 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Josh452
I ask this in the best faith. Quite honestly.......And this is straight to the point, the Camaro doesn't deserve to be resurrected.
What did you just say?????

Are you kidding me? The Camaro doesn’t deserve to be resurrected? If any car does deserve it, it's the Camaro. It's one of the most identifiable and popular cars in America!!!

Let me address this communist LOL:

That statement, young man, is just UN-American. You should be skinned alive and drug across the salt flats JK

No wait…………….. I'm not kidding, you really should.

You just walked into a cage full of pit bulls with a steak strapped your azz.

You’re going offend a lot of Camaro enthusiasts here with that statement. It's not going to go over very well here.

American muscle cars such as Camaro and Mustang are part of what makes this country such a great place to live and very much a part of the heart, soul and heritage of this country.

These cars are what sparked the love affair we Americans have with our automobiles in the first place. This car is as much a part of America as is baseball and football.

Be prepared for reticule dude.

You might as well be saying you want Saddam for president!

JMO

BTW:

I'm new here and I hope the moderator Gods take it easy on me for this being my first post

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Old Dec 31, 2006 | 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Josh452
I've found solstice in the SOLSTICE.
I think you mean "Solace".

Any car beyond a Cobalt is an indulgence on some level. It's not a question of "need" it's a question of "want". Fortunately, we live in a country where we can indulge our "wants" and not just satisfy our "needs" in terms of daily transportation.

God Bless America

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Old Dec 31, 2006 | 09:55 AM
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I know there are better, more logical cars to be offered by Toyota and Honda in the Camaro's price bracket. But logic be damned when you want true American muscle. And if you think this Camaro is just going to be a continuation of the Fisher Price quality, slapped together hunk of rattle box junk that was the last generation Camaro, you have another thing coming. One of the reasons to actually get excited about the return of the Camaro is it will be built and designed soooooo much better than the old one it's not even funny.

The only reason I could think of why you wouldn't want one is you want a car that gets 40 mpg. In that case, you are certainly in the wrong forum. I'm sure there are many a Honda Civic forums available for your pleasure.

In any case, happy motoring in any car you choose. As it looks you may have interrest in a Solstice, may I remind you the Saturn Sky Redline carries about the same sticker price as the Solstice GXP, but no markup. Also, it seems to be a little faster. I know - someone at work just bought a Sky RL.

But I'd still prefer a Camaro. You can actually use the car as an every day vehicle.
Old Dec 31, 2006 | 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Josh452
I ask this in the best faith. Quite honestly.......And this is straight to the point, the Camaro doesn't deserve to be resurrected.
Never though out GM's blatant irresponsabilities to a consistant (every model has its peaks and valleys) model line, in the Chevy camp at least?

Your presupposition is that somehow the f-body death was Right to begin with. I dare you to start there, then restate your (what should be fundamentally wrong) argument as to why it shouldnt return.



.... or admit you posted that drunk.
Old Dec 31, 2006 | 10:04 AM
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Interesting question, Josh. And no, I'm not going to flame you.

I think those of us who are a bit older, remember Camaro in it's heyday, when it was a popular, sporty little coupe - in a sea of huge sedans. It used to be cool to be seen in a Camaro (or Firebird). Men envied you, girls wanted you. J/K There was one to fit every budget. You might see a business executive driving a Z/28 and his cheerleader daughter a six cylinder coupe - both envied within their socio-economic pier groups. It was that kind of car. If someone were in your age group Josh, and looking for something stylish, whether you were male or female, a Camaro was DEFINITELY on your short list at new car time. You may not have bought one, but you certainly considered one.

But then something happened. The Camaro lost it's relevance with the general public. It became far too big in a world of shrinking sedans. It's styling was far too stale. Camaro became severely stigmatized. And if you weren't impressed with the LS1 engine, there was simply no reason that would compell you to be interested in one. Camaro lost it's way and the buying public turned it's back on it.

So, I don't blame you Josh. If I didn't have first hand impressions of what Camaro used to be, and my only reference point was that of a current 22 year old, it'd be hard to see the magic that Camaro once had.

That's why............



...you must listen to me and only me, when I speak about all things "Camaro".





Anyway, I'm hoping the new one captures at least alittle of that magic.

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Old Dec 31, 2006 | 10:24 AM
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So, I don't blame you Josh. If I didn't have first hand impressions of what Camaro used to be, and my only reference point was that of a current 22 year old, it'd be hard to see the magic that Camaro once had.
Well, I'm 24 (close enough to 22) so we're in the same "generation" ... yet I know the "magic" the Camaro has .

I think we can just sum it up and say "your Daddy didn't raise you right!! "

... I've been riding shot-gun in the seat of an F-body since I was 3-years-old!! Loved them ever since!
Old Dec 31, 2006 | 10:28 AM
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Lol, yes, there was life before the 4th gens!
Old Dec 31, 2006 | 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Z284ever
...you must listen to me and only me, when I speak about all things "Camaro".
He's pulling the Jedi mind trick on you
Old Dec 31, 2006 | 11:10 AM
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It's a great question, Josh, and I'm sure GM agonized over it long and hard.

I got as far as ordering a Solstice Z0K, primarily for autoX, but as time dragged on and the dealer didn't get allocation, it started to sink in that it really would have been a singe purpose car for me. Common sense prevailed and I'll be staying with vehicles that will carry at least 2 people and a couple of weeks worth of luggage, but preferably 4 and a trip to the beach worth of luggage.

I'm one of those "old farts" that will be more than happy to lay my money down for a 5th gen because it make me feel young.



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