My 4th gen Z28 resents being called a stripper. Its got every option except for engine block heater and the "sport appearance package" (the RS style ground effects) and an MSRP more than a lot of SSs

I referred to the 1LE as a lightweight track special because of the 3rd gen and early 4th gen 1LEs that had A/C delete.

 

Then youre missing the point of a COPO ZL1 entirely. It is the exhibition car for lack of a better term. The GT40, Viper, AC Cobra ZR1 or Cobra R type of car. Do I expect GM to build one? Only if they want to. But if such a car were to be built, I think it would be nice to brand it COPO or ZL1 if they decide to. Id be one clamoring around it in a parking lot or paying to get into a car show for it. Its one of those, this car is a bad a$$ car and btw its a chevy.

Ford still is Camaro competition. Cant anyone brag anymore? They were refering the the Mustangs they had on hand to make sure the Camaro stacked up to it. I couldnt care less about the performance of a Mustang as Im not buying one. I want a Camaro with an eye toward BMW performance. Couldnt care less about 1/4 mile times or whatever Ford has in mind. I dont care if the Mustang has more horse power though I hope not. They already shown the one Id be after if I can work it out. Thats the SS. Looks crossing a BMW and 69 with 422 HP 6 Spd with independent rear. Kinda glad that AFM didnt work with the manual when you compare HP. Its right where I want to be unless I can swing a 1LE type of lightweight or suspension package. Of course like I said I may end up going used if my promtion doesn t work out so take my thoughts as you will. The Z28 will most likely be out later in the production model year. It probably will have the expensive light weight components. Everyone here should know that by now.

I wouldnt blame them if a model didnt make it or what theyd call what model when its their money and company on the line. Im only saying what I think would be nice, and how I see it historically in my eyes. What I would go to a car show to see. That Id like to see go down the 1/4 mile once in a blue moon such as a Super Z28 in the way of Z06 minded, which I think is going to happen or a ZL1 in the way of an LS9 ZR1 or the like should one be built.

 

I'm not missing anything, I think it'd be great to build a "ZL1 type" of Camaro! There just wouldn't be much business case if the Z28 was already a better performer than the competitions top cars. ZL1 isn't a model so it makes sense for Z28 to take that spot.

Eh, the whole BMW thing just reminds me of how the GTO flopped at that.

 

Except for your last line I agree with you. If the Z28 was a better performer there may not be a buisness case for a ZL1. Since I havent used a reference point Ill use the GT500 for price point wise. So if Z28 comes in around a GT 500 price point that would make them obtainable but maybe still where they should be. A ZL1 price point wise might compare to a Shelby KR or a Super Snake. You might be after a Z28 and look at Camaro in the KR priced car vicinity and think this is rediculous. Thats why I think ZL1.

For a ZL1 model Camaro the buisness case might be we already have the car built, lets throw a show stopper out there.

Well I cant argue that I guess though I like the GTO. We will see, but thats what I would like. 1/4 mile can be fun watching other peoples cars. Its not what Id like in a car Id want.

 

I disagree. Just because they changed the package because of the rule change doesn't mean that some might not have preferred the high winding spirit of the DZ powered Z/28s.

Different comparison, perhaps, but I don't agree with "invalid" since it is a fundamental change from one thing to another and just because there is a reason behind it doesn't mean that people had to like it - especially coming of the Z/28s best selling year ever.

And regardless if you see eye to eye on me on the above, what about Z284Ever's comment? Would there have been those who thought A/C and an auto was blasphemous to the Z/28 package? I mean, you can't even get a Cobalt SS Turbo with an auto because they don't want to water it down...

 

[QUOTE=IZ28;5514913]The Z28 was definetly a top car in it's own right. Z28 was also the overall racer. BTW, what SS's came factory with 427's?!?! That's a new one!

It was just making a point. The z didn't have the biggest or most powerful engines, but your right in that they were top in there own way, I own a 69 z, and I wouldn't trade it for any ss of any year!

 

My sentiments exactly. Thanks for putting it so eloquently.

 

I just don't think they're gonna make a Z28 that will be a top M*stang fighter and then be like, "let's ZR1 them," and take it to another level altogether. We will be fortunate just to get the Z28 in these times.

N/p.

 

Actually I don't see eye to eye with you. I think that while there would have been people who were annoyed, they would have been in the minority, and most would have had no problem with the Z28 going to a 350. Same goes for A/C and auto's. I think that they would have been even LESS annoyed, because the ones that didn't want those would have simply ordered one without them.

If 302 advocates were annoyed at anything I think it would have been the lack of a 302 offered, rather than what it was called, or what options it was available with. (At least the major majority of them)

Of course we'll never know...

As for the Cobalt turbo, Is that the reason stated they don't offer an auto? (I really don't know)? I would have guessed that it had more to do with either not having an auto that would work in that application and hold the power or simply they didn't want to bother certifying 2 drivetrains.

 

A ZL1 wouldnt be a Z28 at all. A Z/28 at a ZL1 price point would be rediculous. And if it were called a Z28 people would complain the Z/28 was way to expensive and Gobs of HP shouldnt be the focus of our beloved corner carver anyway. I was just saying should one be built it should be either called a COPO or ZL1

 

Why when it's neither a COPO or has a ZL1 engine LOL?! That will probably never happen these days anyway.

 

Personally, I think a GT500-fighter might sell better on the whole if it were more like that car's formula: big power, okay handling, and nice to cruise. I'd like to see the LSA in there, better suspension tuning, a little lightening of the car, and just a couple cosmetic changes. I think a touring car would be a nice addition to the line, although, that in no way represents what Z28 has stood for in the past. 550+horse'; maybe 15-inch brakes; bigger swaybar; smaller battery, thinner glass, maybe aluminum front and rear suspension cradles; nice functional hood scoop and rear spoiler; and light-weight wheels should make a nice package and shouldn't add too much in cost to the car, I hope. I mean, if GM sells an SS at about low to mid-$30Ks, I think GM could get this kinda' car in about $45K or so. I know reading from your posts that I am way off from what up guys are thinking, but it just seems to me GM wouldn't offer a stripper-like model like I'm reading here and there. It's easier to remove things, to drop weight and such, so it just seems to me add more power, tune the chassis and powertrain a little more, throw some exterior touches, and call it good. Don't get me wrong, I love the idea of going back to the old Z28, but I think only real enthusiasts would pay for a car like that, where a touring car like I'm suggesting might do a little better appealing to more people.

JMHO...

 

The GT500 is a bloated pig. I hope Chevy does NOT go after it.

 

You do know that the camaro v8 isn't any lighter right??

If you're talking weight, the camaro SS is already right in line with it and an LSA powered z28 could easily be a couple of hundred lbs heavier as far as we know.

Camaro SS: 3,860 - 3,913lbs
GT500: 3,887 - 3,920lbs
LSA z28: 4,000+lbs???

Or were you talking more about how it drove? As far as that goes, i'm hoping the SS/Z28 carries it weight a bit better than the GT500 and it looks like it will due to the camaro's better weight distribution, IRS, and larger brakes.

 

Couldn't agree more, unfortunately geting on the forums and constantly bitching about weight seems to be general concensus on here. I'm just afraid all this complaining is gonna do is tell GM to scrap the Z28 program all together. There are many of us on here that want the LSA but a few highly vocal people get on the forums and constantly bash GM for the car that's coming and for one that might not even be produced. I say be thankful for what we are getting and quit complaining about the unknown. I just can't believe people are bitching about 550hp!