Pure Sex People. Very 3rdgenesque. Cool, wasn't expecting that.!!!.

This is a CAMARO people, retro freaks are cracking me up. Next my computer is going to start looking retro.................

 

Retro or not, this design has lost the sporty look. It looks like a sedan instead of a sport coupe. I love Camaro's, but the unveiling of this car left me with that feeling in my gut that you get when someone has run over your dog that you loved for 10 years.

 

(1) I am 49 years old and just to be a little bit of a devil's advocate, go back 30-35 years and look at the early to mid-70's Grand Prix. That car sold well in its time.

Many styling cues taken from cars 40 years earlier---the "Golden Age" of classic car design, as stated at that time.

They even had "SJ" designations like the Duesenbergs they were taking cues from.

Some of those design cues (from the "Classic cars) extended into later versions of the Grand Prix.

(2) Look at the 1970-'71 era Riveria. Ever heard of a boat-tailed speedster?

(3) Ever look at a good-looking pair of female legs in a mini-skirt?

Mid-1960s. From ideas in the 1920's (flappers?).

I like girls in mini-skirts. Retro for sure, but nice.

(4) Daisy Dukes? Hot pants from 10 years before the original Daisy wore them. Retro but nice.

(5) Ever heard the old joke about someone keeping their old clothes so long they came back in style? Well, it is true in many cases.

(6) Most good-looking young women have a good-looking mother (but not all the time).

Nothing wrong with liking the old version and the new version.

(7) Antique Roadshow and programs similar show there is a large segment of people into antiques. Nothing wrong with new but there is something to be said for good-looking designs from the past.

(8) Good-looking is good-looking no matter the era it originated from.

The 1969 Camaro was/is a good looking car.

(9) Do you believe, in 30 years the 4th gens will have the same appeal and acceptance as the 1st gens?

(10) The new Camaro Concept is a good looking concept. In my opinion. Needs a little refinement, in my opinion, but everyone has an opinion.

(11) Your opinion is just not mine, or most on this site. Nothing wrong with a different opinion. That's why there are so many different cars out there.

I am not intending to flame anyone. Far from it. But I feel flamed when someone expresses their view that anyone that likes the retro cues of the new Camaro Concept has to be out of touch with "style".

jms

 

Agree 100%. I believe this is going to be a big success for GM. As for 3gen cues - I do see some - such as the pointed front, the sharply creased rear quarters, and the fastback roofline. Maybe what's throwing some folks off about the roofline - is that from several angles (like the front quarter view) you really can't see what a fastback this car is. It could almost end up being a hatchback if they set their minds to it. I'm looking forward to seeing the real thing

 

The huge difference there is in those example you say you can see 'it' (the design cues....'cues' being the key word) and here we're saying it is an copy, a rehash of the past. Not a cue, but the same thing.

The '71 Riv may very well have been inspired by the boattail speedsters...but it most certainately did not copy it. The '69 is a great looking car...for a '69 car, not a 2009+ car.

The grill, roofline and rear quarter windows are lifted directly off the 1st gens. They're all too familiar without anything new, fresh or daring...which is what the 1st gen was in those same features.

For what it's worth, it seems it's the retro folks that get most upset when an opposing opinion is posted.

 

I've no problem with the opinions of the retro-dislikers here. But I do disagree with some of the opinions stated so far... especially when I find them hard to follow based on my own observations. One example: the car's roofline. If I hadn't seen the R&T video, I'd still be thinking your statement was valid... but now it's clear to me the rear glass is MUCH more flat on this car than on a first gen... which by today's standards would almost qualify as one of those 'opera roof' greenhouses on GM sedans of the 1980s.

All this makes it even more important to follow the advice already seen here - to see the car in person before making much final judgment about it. I like what I've seen so far... quite a bit.

Are you serious? Egads man. If that doesn't look sporty to you... what on Earth does?

 

Hey, if you like it, great. I wish I could say the same and join in on all the fun. We all know that style is very subjective and I of course have no problem with anyone who likes it. I am a bit surprised by some who don't see or want to see that this car is retro. I do also have reservations to weather this was a good move by GM to take this direction with the Camaro given the current and future competition for this car. I am also trying to understand why people are so willing to accept retro as a solution to a design problem. I don't intend to flame anyone either and by the way, I love the 1st gens as well as every generation of Camaro but this concept is a huge letdown.

 

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The grill, roofline and rear quarter windows are lifted directly off the 1st gens. [QUOTE]

I thought that at first.

However (and this MAY be where some "normal" folks are seeing the Mustang cues), after looking at the sloping rear roof line, it appears to me, in my opinion, the slope rearward is somewhere between that of a '67-69 f-body and that of (perish the thought, lol) a '69 and '70 fastback Mustang.

It would be interesting to see an overlay of the roof lines. Or at least a measurement in degrees of slope.

In any event, I like the roof. And MOST of the concept.

Just my opinion.

jms

 

You've every right to keep posting your retro-bewilderment in just about every thread on this section of the forum... but isn't it time to move on now? Get over it already. Sure, I agree it's got retro in it. But like jms said above... some ideas are classic and people still want them. PT Cruiser, 05 Mustang, and many more prove this. GM has taken some elements of the first gen, some from the 3gen, and from what I can tell even some C6 Corvette is in there - and it looks magnficent.

 

That's pretty funny.

I definatly want to move on. I am getting over it as we speak. I realize that the "it's the best thing I have ever seen" croud don't like others raining on thier parade but I am just trying to understand and spark some debate on why they like it so much.

 

Making that commitment is the first step toward recovery!

 

OK that is exact reason why i have 2001 Z28.

BTW I expected something along the CTC (CTS) coupe line sans the Cadillac badge for the fifth gen.

 

In response to #4, , Have you seen Daisy Duke lately some things from the past should be there


Also The More I stare at this picture (It's my desktop now) I'm remeniscent of the saturday night episode where will ferrell and Phil Hartman were at the bar saying "What the Hell Happened?"

It's like GM Said Make a Camaro and Larry, Curly, and Moe said lets make a mustang-charger and call it a camaro!

 

Could any of you entertain the thought that at one point in history the American auto industry really had it's own grove and particular style down to an art (mostly when guided by Harley Earl). That pinnacle of American automotive art was erroded by great leaps in technological innovation underneath the sheetmetal as well as considerable new saftey and fuel economy restrictions (as well as bad management). These things in conjunction with new (at the time) low priced competition from overseas assisted in the US auto industry losing it's artistic soul in which now it is soley trying to rediscover (all their energy/resources was trying to play catch up). Their 2nd phase in their rediscovery (their 1st phase was resurrecting 'classic nameplates) is to go back to those eras in which their cars stlying is historically viewed as 'classic' and take those styling elements (many would consider Retro) and rebuild from that point on.

Ask youself 'if' (for pretend) Porsche made a horrible decision back in the 1970's and permantly dumped the 911 for the 928, and in an attempt to stop collapsing sales they brought 911 back (in it's most recent form) in 2006, would you consider it Retro? Does it (2006 911) not have almost the same body shape as it did in the 60's and 70's? (minus the larger size, weight, and higher price)

Is the only difference in that Porsche was smart enough not to ditch their iconic 911 design, while GM, Ford, Chrysler were not as smart with their own iconic vehicles?
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I absolutely LOVE retro!