5th gen IP and 20091/2 mustang IP
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as for those guage clusters posted above.. they all are pretty generic IMO.. one thing i know i DO like a lot about the Camaro is the speedo/tach cluster i think it looks pretty cool and i love that theres nothing like it being made right now.. (as i've said.. its the radio/hvac area that isnt so hot imo)
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You guys will agrue over anything wont you? If you're hardcore into racing wouldn't you be putting real gages in anyway? All the ones from the factory will be computer buffered and not the most acurate. At 100+ mph do you really care if your buse voltage is at 13.9 or 14.2?
How is HUD making up for a deficency? It is simply a better way of getting the vehicals information to the driver. IMO the only reason for conventional gages in moden cars is to apease those who resist change.
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While the AMG panel may lack a couple of readouts, it emphatically proves the "less is more" theory.
The pure simplicity of the mono-coloring and cleaness of the panel is timeless!
The Boxter cluster reminds me of a Malibu.
The pure simplicity of the mono-coloring and cleaness of the panel is timeless!
The Boxter cluster reminds me of a Malibu.
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Originally Posted by 90rocz
I think people who buy sports cars do like to be able to monitor all their vitals at a glance, especially volts in cars with a lot of electronics.
You can see when you need to clean or tighten battery terminal from watching abnormally low voltage drops at red lights etc. before you run the battery down.
You can see when you need to clean or tighten battery terminal from watching abnormally low voltage drops at red lights etc. before you run the battery down.
Originally Posted by 90rocz
While the AMG panel may lack a couple of readouts, it emphatically proves the "less is more" theory.
The pure simplicity of the mono-coloring and cleaness of the panel is timeless!
The pure simplicity of the mono-coloring and cleaness of the panel is timeless!
Originally Posted by Black5thgen
I don't understand how so many people from this site have been able to sit in a mule and look at the gauges, then drive the car and see how they function. Oh wait nobody has been able to do this, they just all assume from a ****ty cell phone picture that the gauges will be hard to read. How many people bashed this car from photos at the auto shows then posted how "you have to see this car in person to appreciate it". And these were pictures from good digital cameras with great auto show lighting. I really don't think this car was built with the intention that the majority of people will be looking at the gauges while driving on a road course. I would bet my 5th gen fund that the gauges will be easy to read and prominant. Plus I think that judging by how big the info center between the gauges are that a digital read of any gauge will be able to be displayed there. How about every stops complaining for 8 monthes (because I don't see major designes like the interior changing now) and waits for the final product. It seems like the people talking about the new mustang already have their mind made up and should go frequent the corral instead of
Originally Posted by george.jetson
People who drive 110 mph on road courses don't CARE what their exact oil pressure is. They -- we -- ONLY care if it's low. Every one of those sports cars above has a nice big red idiot light (and probably an audible alarm) that will come on if things start to go wrong.
What I need most when I'm on track is a tach I can read REALLY EASILY and that oil pressure idiot light. A temp gauge is good to have too, particularly at club track-day type events in the summer. Beyond that, I don't care. On the street, that temp gauge is somewhat more important and obviously a speedo is very important. None of the rest matters much
What I need most when I'm on track is a tach I can read REALLY EASILY and that oil pressure idiot light. A temp gauge is good to have too, particularly at club track-day type events in the summer. Beyond that, I don't care. On the street, that temp gauge is somewhat more important and obviously a speedo is very important. None of the rest matters much
Originally Posted by 90rocz
Question IS?..what has Camaro typically done in its 40 years?
It's one part of Camaro, or F-Body's heritage that a lot of us LOVE!..
It's one part of Camaro, or F-Body's heritage that a lot of us LOVE!..
...but regardless... fact is it does still retain a dedicated set of full gauges.
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That whole center stack is probably the most offensive part to me.
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I put your two statements together to help you see the inconsistency. Which is the holy grail then? "less is more", or "all the vitals"?
Agreed. I don't know what can be shown in the DIC... but it has a lot of space in there and is dot matrix. But I also agree this car, in this price bracket, it not primarily meant as a track car. It's classic affordable 2+2 muscle, with tributes to Camaro heritage. The Corvette is the track car of the Chevy stable.
Yep, and well said
By that yardstick then the new Camaro is just as true as ever. In fact according to that measure, I could make a case the new one is MORE true to heritage then the 2nd, 3rd, or 4th gens, due to the location of its instruments ...but regardless... fact is it does still retain a dedicated set of full gauges.
No kidding? Well that is news to me
Agreed. I don't know what can be shown in the DIC... but it has a lot of space in there and is dot matrix. But I also agree this car, in this price bracket, it not primarily meant as a track car. It's classic affordable 2+2 muscle, with tributes to Camaro heritage. The Corvette is the track car of the Chevy stable.
Yep, and well said
By that yardstick then the new Camaro is just as true as ever. In fact according to that measure, I could make a case the new one is MORE true to heritage then the 2nd, 3rd, or 4th gens, due to the location of its instruments
...but regardless... fact is it does still retain a dedicated set of full gauges.No kidding? Well that is news to me
Heaven forbid that anyone talks bad about the new Camaro. I mean what where they thinking? Don't they know that this is a Camaro site? Maybe these people should go out and buy a Mustang! Let's just go ahead and ban anybody who says anything remotely negative about the new Camaro. This way only positive things will be stated, which in turn, will start new and exciting discussions. Give me a break! To tell someone that they don't need analog gauges to tell them their engine's vitals or that they will be okay with a HUD display is completely absurd. It's their personal preference! How can anyone say that someone else is wrong just because they stated their OPINION?
I don't like the idea of having gauges that aren't in my line of sight nor do I like alarm clock like numbers on my windshield. I don't want some idiot light to chime in and tell me something's wrong when I could have noticed an analog gauge's needle quivering or slowly dropping. I want to be able to catch any problems before the computer does. You're not going to do this with an idiot light nor are you going to catch this in your peripheral vision if the gauge is somewhere down by your right knee.
With that being said will I or won't I buy the new Camaro? I will reserve my final judgement for when I get behind the wheel of one. I will say that because of the interior layout if I do get one it will be more of a dedicated track car than it would a DD or a weekend cruiser. I dunno maybe I should just go out and buy a Mustang instead. Maybe everyone who has just the slightest negative feeling for any aspect of the car should. Then everything will be alright.
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Heaven forbid that anyone talks bad about the new Camaro. I mean what where they thinking? Don't they know that this is a Camaro site? Maybe these people should go out and buy a Mustang! Let's just go ahead and ban anybody who says anything remotely negative about the new Camaro. This way only positive things will be stated, which in turn, will start new and exciting discussions.
Give me a break! To tell someone that they don't need analog gauges to tell them their engine's vitals or that they will be okay with a HUD display is completely absurd. It's their personal preference! How can anyone say that someone else is wrong just because they stated their OPINION?
I don't like the idea of having gauges that aren't in my line of sight nor do I like alarm clock like numbers on my windshield.
I don't like the idea of having gauges that aren't in my line of sight nor do I like alarm clock like numbers on my windshield.
I don't want some idiot light to chime in and tell me something's wrong when I could have noticed an analog gauge's needle quivering or slowly dropping. I want to be able to catch any problems before the computer does.
With that being said will I or won't I buy the new Camaro? I will reserve my final judgement for when I get behind the wheel of one. I will say that because of the interior layout if I do get one it will be more of a dedicated track car than it would a DD or a weekend cruiser. I dunno maybe I should just go out and buy a Mustang instead. Maybe everyone who has just the slightest negative feeling for any aspect of the car should. Then everything will be alright.
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Free speach is allowed here. Critics have a right to post their opinions like everyone else - including you, when you criticize mine. But you're right, this is a Camaro site, catering more to Camaro fans. If someone really doesn't like the new Camaro, and posts over and over what they don't like about it, then yes, maybe that person would be happier in a Mustang.
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I think we all have our right to post what ever we want on here, and I am just as big of a Camaro fan as you are. I would think, so is every one that posts here. I have an opinion and I am gonna state it just like you do and I dont try to skew things in my favor. For example when posting all those "plain" ugly insturment panels how come you didn't include the pics of the 5th gen IP for comparison? You also forgot to include the IP from a car made by the same company...Corvette. Which has a readable and good looking IP.....maybe a little "plain" for your liking. FYI I am a true Camaro enthusiast but I am gonna buy what I like, just as I have in the past.
As for the Corvette - sure it has a lot of guages. But that's not the norm, as I've shown already. Plus it does have a HUD too
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Originally Posted by BigDarknFast:
I put your two statements together to help you see the inconsistency. Which is the holy grail then? "less is more", or "all the vitals"?
I put your two statements together to help you see the inconsistency. Which is the holy grail then? "less is more", or "all the vitals"?
Posted by Me:
......."The pure simplicity of the mono-coloring and cleaness of the panel is timeless!".......
......."The pure simplicity of the mono-coloring and cleaness of the panel is timeless!".......
The AMG was very conservavitve, smooth radiuses, crisp clean edges and lines, pleasing proportioning, precise clear digital readouts, font etc..
Originally Posted by BigDarknFast
By that yardstick then the new Camaro is just as true as ever. In fact according to that measure, I could make a case the new one is MORE true to heritage then the 2nd, 3rd, or 4th gens, due to the location of its instruments ...but regardless... fact is it does still retain a dedicated set of full gauges.
By that yardstick then the new Camaro is just as true as ever. In fact according to that measure, I could make a case the new one is MORE true to heritage then the 2nd, 3rd, or 4th gens, due to the location of its instruments ...but regardless... fact is it does still retain a dedicated set of full gauges.
Howabout...(insert)..."for most of its 40 years"....b/c the 1st gen vitals were optional. Once knee deep in racing, Camaro began to look the part.
Originally Posted by george.jetson
People who drive 110 mph on road courses don't CARE what their exact oil pressure is. They -- we -- ONLY care if it's low. Every one of those sports cars above has a nice big red idiot light (and probably an audible alarm) that will come on if things start to go wrong.
What I need most when I'm on track is a tach I can read REALLY EASILY and that oil pressure idiot light. A temp gauge is good to have too, particularly at club track-day type events in the summer. Beyond that, I don't care. On the street, that temp gauge is somewhat more important and obviously a speedo is very important. None of the rest matters much
People who drive 110 mph on road courses don't CARE what their exact oil pressure is. They -- we -- ONLY care if it's low. Every one of those sports cars above has a nice big red idiot light (and probably an audible alarm) that will come on if things start to go wrong.
What I need most when I'm on track is a tach I can read REALLY EASILY and that oil pressure idiot light. A temp gauge is good to have too, particularly at club track-day type events in the summer. Beyond that, I don't care. On the street, that temp gauge is somewhat more important and obviously a speedo is very important. None of the rest matters much
By then it's usually too low and too late.
