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Now that's strange. Some here seem excited about the lightweight Mazda MX5... and it is known to be a serious performance car for road courses. By this standard, it is alarmingly short on gauges:

And here I thought the Subaru WRX STi was this advanced track car too. Turns out it's got a gauge deficit too

I wonder if any of these cars have those newfangled warning lights, for undervoltage and low oil pressure?
And here I thought the Subaru WRX STi was this advanced track car too. Turns out it's got a gauge deficit too


I wonder if any of these cars have those newfangled warning lights, for undervoltage and low oil pressure?
Conversely, I sure wouldn't call my '98 Grand Caravan a serious track car, even though it has a full compliment of gauges front and center, including oil pressure and voltmeter immediately adjacent to the speedo and tach!!
Who knows what was behind that decision?
I guess every manufacturer does their research and includes what they feel is necessary. I can't see that having this info conveniently available at a glance would be a negative factor under any circumstances.
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Elie
Why does that matter....
Well I will grant you, I overlooked its oil pressure gauge. Maybe it was the illegibility due to its lack of a numeric scale. Ya, that's real ergonomic, along with the easy-to-not-read-um-where-is-it volt 'meter'
Nonetheless you are hereby awarded 1/2 a point 
If that bland-o cluster was on the Camaro, I'd be disappointed on both an aesthetic and a functional level.
So you like the WRX? No comment then? How about these. First the Porsche Boxster S... oh noz, no critical gauges

How about a BMW 328i? They're pretty sporty cars, famous for track prowess...

(Incidentally... some might complain those needles block the numbers)
To heck with all these nickle-and-dime posers. Let's move UPscale! How about a Lambo Gallardo?

What?! No oil pressure gauge on this high-dollar exotic, with its hand-built race engine? Well at least, it clearly does sport a low voltage warning light
EDIT - what the heck, here's one more. Mercedes SL55 AMG, 510 HP and oh no! No Gauges!
I see a clearly marked and prominent tach, a clearly marked and prominent speedo, an oil pressure gauge front and center, water temp and fuel gauge - and a centrally located DIC which has a voltmeter function. All wrapped in a business like and attractive binnacle.
I LOVE IT!
I LOVE IT!
Nonetheless you are hereby awarded 1/2 a point 
Now just give the Camaro the Miata's center stack, steering wheel and short throw shifter and we're in business.
So you like the WRX? No comment then? How about these. First the Porsche Boxster S... oh noz, no critical gauges


How about a BMW 328i? They're pretty sporty cars, famous for track prowess...

(Incidentally... some might complain those needles block the numbers)
To heck with all these nickle-and-dime posers. Let's move UPscale! How about a Lambo Gallardo?

What?! No oil pressure gauge on this high-dollar exotic, with its hand-built race engine? Well at least, it clearly does sport a low voltage warning light

EDIT - what the heck, here's one more. Mercedes SL55 AMG, 510 HP and oh no! No Gauges!
Last edited by BigDarknFast; Feb 3, 2008 at 03:24 PM.
My '95 PA Ultra shows all analog, with actual numbers, not "H">"C" etc.
It has the large speedo and tach, front & center, then temp over oil pressure(far left) and volts over gas(far right).
And it's a luxury car...
(Can't find a good pic.)
I only hope we get all analog, accurate, real time, gages with numbers not letters.
I think people who buy sports cars do like to be able to monitor all their vitals at a glance, especially volts in cars with a lot of electronics.
You can see when you need to clean or tighten battery terminal from watching abnormally low voltage drops at red lights etc. before you run the battery down.
One of my major complaints about my HUD in the Rendezvous. TOO SIMPLE, and in big DOS green.
It only diplays my speed, or radio channel if I change volume or something....unattractive and nearly useless...
It has the large speedo and tach, front & center, then temp over oil pressure(far left) and volts over gas(far right).
And it's a luxury car...
(Can't find a good pic.)
I only hope we get all analog, accurate, real time, gages with numbers not letters.
Originally Posted by BigDarknFast :
I disagree. The value of the HUD is in showing frequently viewed parameters, such as speed and maybe radio channel. People simply do not go down the road, obsessively monitoring their bus voltage every ten seconds. That would be mighty boring, since on a modern car, voltage, oil pressure are typically either 'all OK' or 'OMG something just blew up'. In the latter case, you get a warning light and chime anyway.
I disagree. The value of the HUD is in showing frequently viewed parameters, such as speed and maybe radio channel. People simply do not go down the road, obsessively monitoring their bus voltage every ten seconds. That would be mighty boring, since on a modern car, voltage, oil pressure are typically either 'all OK' or 'OMG something just blew up'. In the latter case, you get a warning light and chime anyway.
You can see when you need to clean or tighten battery terminal from watching abnormally low voltage drops at red lights etc. before you run the battery down.
One of my major complaints about my HUD in the Rendezvous. TOO SIMPLE, and in big DOS green.
It only diplays my speed, or radio channel if I change volume or something....unattractive and nearly useless...
Last edited by 90rocz; Feb 3, 2008 at 03:23 PM.
Bottom line - the industry standard for 'main' instruments in sporty cars is four things. Speedo, tach, coolant temp, and fuel. JUST LIKE what we've seen 'front and center' in the leaked 2010 Camaro spy pix already out there.
I don't understand how so many people from this site have been able to sit in a mule and look at the gauges, then drive the car and see how they function. Oh wait nobody has been able to do this, they just all assume from a ****ty cell phone picture that the gauges will be hard to read. How many people bashed this car from photos at the auto shows then posted how "you have to see this car in person to appreciate it". And these were pictures from good digital cameras with great auto show lighting. I really don't think this car was built with the intention that the majority of people will be looking at the gauges while driving on a road course. I would bet my 5th gen fund that the gauges will be easy to read and prominant. Plus I think that judging by how big the info center between the gauges are that a digital read of any gauge will be able to be displayed there. How about every stops complaining for 8 monthes (because I don't see major designes like the interior changing now) and waits for the final product. It seems like the people talking about the new mustang already have their mind made up and should go frequent the corral instead of
Last edited by Black5thgen; Feb 3, 2008 at 03:40 PM.
People who drive 110 mph on road courses don't CARE what their exact oil pressure is. They -- we -- ONLY care if it's low. Every one of those sports cars above has a nice big red idiot light (and probably an audible alarm) that will come on if things start to go wrong.
What I need most when I'm on track is a tach I can read REALLY EASILY and that oil pressure idiot light. A temp gauge is good to have too, particularly at club track-day type events in the summer. Beyond that, I don't care. On the street, that temp gauge is somewhat more important and obviously a speedo is very important. None of the rest matters much.
What I need most when I'm on track is a tach I can read REALLY EASILY and that oil pressure idiot light. A temp gauge is good to have too, particularly at club track-day type events in the summer. Beyond that, I don't care. On the street, that temp gauge is somewhat more important and obviously a speedo is very important. None of the rest matters much.
Last edited by georgejetson; Feb 3, 2008 at 03:54 PM.
Apparently not the buyers of the Porsche Boxster S, Subaru WRX STi, BMW 328i, Lamborghini Gallardo, and MB SL55 AMG, to name just a few.

Question IS?..what has Camaro typically done in its 40 years?
It's one part of Camaro, or F-Body's heritage that a lot of us LOVE!..
Answer...6 gages of analog monitoring.
Last edited by 90rocz; Feb 3, 2008 at 11:48 PM.
Again...the interior is not a deal breaker for me..but it is not a strong point of the cars design. When the thing was released many people voiced their displeasure with it..but GM has stayed the course.
I would have been happy with the G8 interior with some Camaro looking bits added.
I would have been happy with the G8 interior with some Camaro looking bits added.


