Modern as in how? Like not using crushed up tooth brush's to make the dash? To remove the circa 1993 green digital displays from the radio?
How about removing all that fake metalic crap off the wall they call a dash? Any of that fall under "modern"?

No one knows how hard the guages are gunna be able to be read on a road course at 100mph. You are taking your assumption from a 2mp camera phone.

 

How do I like the new Camaro?

Good looking car, looks to have a great chassis and as can be expected, GM looks to have a top notch drivetrain, dont care for the inteior.

Have I driven one, no, but if anybody wants to give me the keys to a mule, pass it my way and I'll be glad to beat on it like a red-headed stepchild.

Would I buy one, depends?

Honestly I'm not a fan of the F1, they like this car were good looking (except the interior) and by dent I feel the same way about the F5, I would have prefered a car that was more like the early F2 (both inside and out), but it is what it is.

Ultimately in this first run of cars, no. I'll wait and see before I rush out and trade in my Mustang rather than paying it off, however when that time arrives I'll consider my options.

All the same, what purpose does it serve to tell somebody to kiss off and go buy a Mustang if you aren't gushing with heaps of praise for the F5? My advice, start a thread entitled, "F5 opinions wanted, but only if you've put down a deposit or have a checkbook in hand - all other replys are not under consideration" if the faithful/hardcore don't want opnions or observations to the contrary.

 

The dash of the 2010 Camaro is what it is. You either like what's seen in the spy pics, have no opinion or don't like them. Complaining about the interior or praising it won't have any effect on it. I suggest waiting until the car is at the dealer and you can see and sit in it yourself. Then make the decision to spend your hard earned dollars and sign the dotted line or not. It's that simple there is no debate because there never was any. GM made a decision on the interior as they did with the exterior and will build it the best way they can. Just because Scott takes time to pop in and give us some info from time to time doesn't mean CamaroZ28.com has a seat at the 2010 Camaro team meeting every Monday morning.

 

You know what? Ive done that before.....In 2001 I bought a new Cobra, I had a 1996 Z28 before the Cobra. Maybe it wasn't as fast as the LS1 but the Cobra was put together way better than ANY fourth gen Ive been in and thats why I bought it. Everyone here has an opinion and I will state mine. I see all the cheerleaders on this board and it makes me sick that if you don't agree with them you should go and buy a Mustang. Maybe I will.

 

[sarcasm]I wonder why there are a bunch of Camaro fans on a site called CamaroZ28.com... hmmm...[/sarcasm]I don't spend all my time on CivicSi.com telling them how much the new Civic sucks, and I hate its interior. (even though it does suck, and I do hate it)

 

But, if you've owned Civics since High School, every gen, and loved them for whatever reasons, and suddenly they were changing for what you thought was, the "worse".
Wouldn't you voice your opinion?
Wouldn't it be more than "important" to you?
*But then the young guns, just cuttin' their teeth on Civics, unilaterally praised it, and stifled your opinions as "bitching".
How would you feel?
I mean, you just want the Civic to be its BEST...
(uhmmm, Camaro )

 

HUD is additional money and cost in an effort to compensate for a bad idea, in this case the location of guages in an area (on the lower center console) that you aren't likely to quickly glance at driving at freeway speeds, let alone during any high speed driving.

Good point!

 

The interior, specifically the technological parts, were one area where I was glad the Camaro was "evolving".
Heritage design is more welcome in the astetics...

 

I disagree. The value of the HUD is in showing frequently viewed parameters, such as speed and maybe radio channel. People simply do not go down the road, obsessively monitoring their bus voltage every ten seconds. That would be mighty boring, since on a modern car, voltage, oil pressure are typically either 'all OK' or 'OMG something just blew up'. In the latter case, you get a warning light and chime anyway.

As for cost of a HUD... it's likely not as much as many might think, since GM has many years now of experience with integrating these into cars. The hardware itself isn't all that complex, just a small light projector, and the electronic signals are simple to plug into due to modern powertrain controls and body controller modules.

 

My thought on this is that the oil pressure gauge is a real biggy when you're on the track (for obvious reasons) and I've also been very thankful for having the voltmeter front and center as well... for saving my bacon by telling me that the V-belt flew off, coincidentally down a 100 mph straightaway. I looked down to check my gauges and it's showing "0" charge!
There is an almost 90 degree right-hander at the end of that straight (Fabi straight at Shannonville Motorsports Park in Ontario) and I'd have definitely gone right off the track if I would have attempted that turn without knowing the car had lost its power steering! Thankfully, I slowed down and started my turn-in sooner in order to compensate.

Been doing this on an average of 3 times per season since 1999 with my '98 SS. If having the gauges front and center saves you from going "agricultural" just once, or saves a blown engine just once (as it did for me due to a faulty oil pump) then that "once" is all it takes to make them being there worthwhile, IMHO. A driver's car needs to have these gauges (oil press. & voltmeter), directly in the driver's line of sight.

The way I see it, I'm prepared to pay a little extra for a HUD to have my cake and eat it too... cool gauges on top of the floor console and to have the redundant info on the HUD when it's time to get down to business.

Best regardSS,

Elie

 

So what you're saying Elie, is that intellectually you know that a serious performance car like a Camaro needs easily monitored gauges.

Since we're not getting those, a HUD is a necessity.



Honestly, I thought the 'ornamental' console gauges would be my pet peeve on the interior. After seeing the rest of it though, those are now the least of my interior concerns.

 

Absolutely correct. Intellectually and realistically! ... and given Chevrolet's intention of making this a real driver's car, I would be totally astounded if at least the performance version of this car did not have the facility to keep that info in the driver's line of vision!

Now having said that, I tip my hat to the Camaro team for recognizing the "Wow" factor of those console mounted gauges while hopefully taking into consideration the requirements of the relatively few "track junkies" like me who are out there.

In the whole scheme of things, I want this car to be a resounding success in terms of sales as I have no doubt we all do!... so I can have my "take no prisoners" track car - right from the factory! (selfish SOB, aren't I?)

In order to achieve that goal, the car needs to appeal to as many customers as possible. This is no small feat when the goal is to achieve many conquest sales at the same time.

Do I like those gauges there? No - definitely not my 1st choice... but if having those gauges on the console means more buyers, thus helping to ensure the success and longevity of the car, then I'm all for it as a feature. I don't need 'em there, but I'll be happy to take my 2nd choice and make use of a HUD on the track.

Best regardSS,

Elie

 

Fair enough.

 

Now that's strange. Some here seem excited about the lightweight Mazda MX5... and it is known to be a serious performance car for road courses. By this standard, it is alarmingly short on gauges:



And here I thought the Subaru WRX STi was this advanced track car too. Turns out it's got a gauge deficit too



I wonder if any of these cars have those newfangled warning lights, for undervoltage and low oil pressure?

 

When you say "some" - you mean me?

Lemme see...

I see a clearly marked and prominent tach, a clearly marked and prominent speedo, an oil pressure gauge front and center, water temp and fuel gauge - and a centrally located DIC which has a voltmeter function. All wrapped in a business like and attractive binnacle.
I LOVE IT!

Now just give the Camaro the Miata's center stack, steering wheel and short throw shifter and we're in business.