Hey I just noticed, this must be the Florida edition, just noticed the standard Love Bugs squished on the front bumper.

 

The lip at the bottom of the front bumper gives the pre-prod a more aggressive look. Me likey. It complements the redesigned rear bumper nicely.

The more I compare the images together, the more I like the pre-prod, which to me (as others have noted) looks slightly taller and narrower.

All good. Keep the pics coming, GM, especially the interior pics as details are finalised!

 

I like the look of the "higher" cowl.

I would prefer to have the bowtie on the grille - though otherwise prefer the pre-production grill over the concept.

Not sure what the point of the "faux" intake in front of the hood is - though perhaps that isn't what it really is.

Ram-air: Nothing but a marketing gimmick anyway.

And now the obligatory heft statement: 335i was mentioned...tis no lightweight either, at ~3600 lbs.

Bob

 

Agree about the Bowtie on the grill. Even if they don't, the way it is designed I bet there will be a huge offering of Aftermarket grills. It'll be exciting to see what they can come up with.

I'm guessing that the "faux" intake will probably be "open", otherwise what's the point. Ram air is a marketing gimmick (but it does excite the masses); but it would be a good spot for cold air I guess.

 

There is a 'divit' in the grille for the emblem...if you zoom in....

 

I have avoided commenting about the pix, be they spyshots or GM released preprods. I have learned that listening more than talking gives me a better perspective.

I would like to share some of what I believe to be reality which will hold up as time goes on.

I have had the privelage to talk to lots and lots of folks with the concept cars present. I'm talking thousands of people, literally.

The truth is there's been overwhelming positive reaction to the return of Camaro and there's a vast number of intenders < those that intend to BUY the new Camaro > who are vocally adamant that the production car will be theirs if it stays true to the look of the concepts.

Well, the production car is true to the concepts design statement. There's no huge changes here. In my opinion there have been improvements but all are very subtle and not fundamental whatsoever.

The concept is a looker and so it the preprod.

I have owned every generation of the Camaro, and loved them all as they were what I like... a personal sport coupe, all of them special and easy for me to connect with. I see the coming Camaro as the same kind of personal sport coupe. I look at the pix and can truthfully say " Man! That's a car I could have a lot of good times in! "

I know the folks working on the engines and handling of the new car and I'm very excited about what's coming. VERY EXCITED.

I think what has been shown requires no apologies.

I believe many folks will buy the Camaro once it's here and will be rightfully thrilled with the car GM has offered, and that they will personalize it to make it all their own... some will think it's perfect as it rolls off the showroom floor. That's how Camaros are.

I know some folks will opt not to buy the Camaro when it's available. I hate to see folks deprive themselves, but what can you do?

 

Wow the front end look fantastic , save for the parts store lights .

Heres my crack at a photoshop of the concept . Still hoping projectors and the halo rings make it to the production car .

 

Heres one with a bowtie .

 

Count me in as liking it. Although I still prefer the concepts' halo headlights, turn signal placements and grill it's not that major of an issue for me as the overall look of the front.

Also add me in for the gold bow-tie on the grill and for working front "ram-air". (even if it is a gimmick )

 

I am sure you will see a Bow Tie [Scott:"Parts Missing"] in the grill on the base car but I would not be too suprised to see a Chrome SS in the center of the grill on the V8 car. Keep in mind when we play hard we losen our collar and don't wear Bow Ties.

The scoop is part of the new Chevy with the Z06 and ZR-1 both sporting openings on the nose. It may not have much ram but it is cold clean air vs pulling up behind a head light and radiator support.

If they can control the drive by noise and improve the flow restriction going in it can make a resonable increase in performance.

 

I am truely impressed at how close the Exterior is to the concept. There always seems to something lost in translation from concept to production. I only see minor differences. So far, I think this is the best conversion from concept to production that I have ever seen GM do. Excellent job GM!

The size does look a bit large. But it is really difficult to judge size and dimension from a 2-D photo, especially at this angle. Another thing that could be contributing to this illussion is the wheels. The wheels are tucked in under the fenders more than the concept was. This has a tendency to make the car look bigger. If you put on wider wheels or an offset that lines up better with the fenders (more like the concept) the proportions will look better.

 

That's my desktop and the same picture I used to compare the new shot with. See what I mean about the brake ducts. Even the A-pillar doesn't look that far off. Very, very close to the concept.

 

Count me in for the "halo" lights and Bow tie, it looks much more at home on the new grille.

A small Camaro "red white & blue" emblem on the front edge of the hood, and possibly a couple of Camaro "over" Z/28(or other model) emblems done descretely on the fender just a head of the door, might look nice too...

 

"Cold air intake" (CAI) is certainly more proper than "ram air", though I understand the marketing by calling it the latter.

Of note, in my testing/data logging (obviously on other vehicles), I've found that CAI's typically don't reduce the IAT reading near the TB much at all. Perhaps a little, and perhaps under certain circumstances, but not across the board. Still....so long as the opening is actually open, I'm fine with it (personal opinion).

Concur. IMHO, straightening out the airflow is the most important part.

Bob

 

Right you are... to a great extent.

I got extra lucky at one point when I had the lucky pleasure of having the fellow that does many < maybe most > of the calibration work on V-8 motors for GM stop by my house for a look at my Z06 to review a couple of things I had noted in Florida heat and humidity. < GM has/had a test area a couple of hours from my house >

He came by in a "mule" and accompanied by a chase car/driver with telemetry goodies. < If I seem to be wandering, there is a point here.. >

IAT temps "rule the roost" when it comes to timing advance, air-fuel, etc.
< so does cat overtemp but that's for a different thread. > Nonetheless he showed me on the computer screen how it is.

CAI doesn't help much if the vehicle is static, such as sitting at a light/tree... however, even a cold air mod such as the last gen Corvette Z06 front fascia screens drop the temps at the IAT sensor temps much faster than if the screens were closed like the C5 coupe and 'vert.

I have found that the gold plated foil < think metallic contact paper > used in roadracing DOES retard IAT temps rising if the vehicle is at a static state as well as mitigating the heat transfer from the buildup of under hood temp transfer under roadraing conditions.

In conjunction with CAI/airflow smoothing mods, the timing retard and richening protections don't insinuate themselves nearly as much.

I use the stuff myself, which may be strictly anecdotal regarding what I have seen on the computer readouts, but I also have noted that every Corvette roadracing team I interface with use it as well. They don't agree on the pre-throttle body plumbing... but they all agree on this stuff.

As with many things, this might be an example of using multiple solutions to resolve one issue.