My V6 vs TA

I have a friend that has a Ls1 Ta A4 and has never been to the track. i said i could take him on his first run. he isnt the best driver. what do you guys think. look in my sig for my mods.

I say he will probably spank you silly even messing up badly if he does.

Racing on hopes and dreams? ;)

You'll get spanked...

:Owned:

Its not like he has a manual transmission which atleast requires some skill to drive optimally. I'm willing to bet that even if he hammers the accerlator from idle, he'll catch you pretty quick.

hehe since everyone is os negative, if it makes you feel any better I went head to head with a stock LS1 SS and it ran a 15.4.

I also went up agianst a 02 Saleen Mustang, yes a real one and it ran a 15.9

Also went up against a 6-speed lt1 TA, and he ran a 15.5.



Sooo.... if he had a manual, I may thin its possible, lots of bad dirvers but a A4? I think he will rape you bad driver or not.


If he asks you for any tips say yes, drive through the water it rinses the water off the tires, but don't spin them afterwards, that is only for drag tires, and say"see how everyone launches hard?, hear the civic reving to 6,000 rpms at launch you shoudl try to do the same thing"

maybe you will win if you do that.

ya you might be alright in 1st and 2nd gear but after that you'll be smoked by some car lengths, trust me...i gotta V6 5 speed y87 bird and i can hang till i have to get to 3rd then its bye bye birdie.

if he's got an automatic its pretty hard for him not to shift at the exact right points in the rpm band while if your a manual it takes a professional to hit it right everytime to get the max hp/tq

I hope you're kidding right?? :p

ahahah don't kid yourself...SMOKED :eek:

MustangEater....

you know you shouldn't fill the boy's head with such frivilous noncense:):):)

....those were idiots who couldn't find the gas pedal.... :D

i hope you like the looks of the rear bumpers of trans ams cuz thats all you'll be seeing...like everyone else has been saying and i said earlier......SMOKED till your :Owned: V6 vs V8 is not even close

Well, what times did you run last time?

You're probably going to get :Owned: unless you can run a low 14 at the least. The first time I ran my car at the track I turned a 14.6@102.7 with a sweet 2.4 60'. My car had 2.73 gears at the time.

You can't really know what to expect as far as what that guy is going to run. Some will run a mid 13 the very first time...

anything is possible, i mean the guy does have 4.10 and a massive tc i have seen many lt1 run 14.3-14.6 with nothing wrong, you guys have such negative attitudes toward v6 its disgusting

unless youre seeing mid 13's youre gonna get beat. Some Ls1's will run faster thats true but if he's inexperienced I would say don't try it unless your car can run a 13.8-13.9

i hoping to run 13.9-14.2. now that i have removeds my govener i think it is possible. you must keep in mind he has never been to the track and he doesnt think weight matters so he will carring a lot of weight that he doesnt need.

I'm not trying to down you but you won't see 13s with your mods without any engine work. 14.3-14.6 is your best bet.

:dead:

Originally posted by All_InTheRED
MustangEater....



....those were idiots who couldn't find the gas pedal.... :D

YOu see the problem with them is they found the gas pedal all too well... :)

I did say if it is an A4 he woudl get raped...

good lord man, i didnt think that there would all these negative responses on the v6 section! PLEASE, look at his mods. i know both of the drivers and will break it down for u.

98 V6
has a 3,800 VIG stall,exhaust,ported TB,ram air,rebuilt tranny,4.10 gear and other free mods and will be running on DR's
realistacly should run 13.9-14.3

99 TA
BONE STOCK A4. HORRIBLE driver,2 15" subwoofers in back, running 315 17" tires
should run 13.7-14.0

should be a close race. i think u guys need to look at the situation a little better.

And how fast our the 98 V6 f-bods with just those mods running here......maybe mid 14's.

Hey man,hate to burst your bubble,but that V6 MIGHT be good for a 14.5 or so.Don't expect too much,that's not a lot of mods.Also I am a sucky driver and my first night at the track with my '98 Z A4 on SUCKY tires I ran a best of 9.1 in the 1/8th.That's somewhere around a 14.0 or so.The TA will smoke the V6 man,sorry.I am all for modding V6's and I want another one to replace my old 3.4,but let's be real.Get a blower or some juice,heck even some internal work and then it'll be a different story.But hey,please post the results!
Kevin

the big TC and 4.10s will definately be on the v6's side...id say first pass it may be possible if the v6 runs a picture perfect run...like a 14.1-14.3...and teh LS1 spins like a biatch...but otherwise no....

oh , dont get me wrong... the TA will definately have to mess up for the v6 to win. but i have seend LS1's in the 14's plenty of times before. and since he has 2.73 gears, if he messes up he isnt going to catch up THAT fast. he will pull no doubt about it, but at least he doesnt have 3.42 or 3.73's. All im saying is, i havent talked to one person who had their best run being their first run at the track.

BTW, i ran against Pullmeovered tonight from a stop and HE BEAT MY ASS off the line and kept pulling until i finally got traction at 60mph.

dont worry, we will have it on tape.

How do you get that the V6 will run a 14.1 with those mods?

Stall and gears optimize horsepower application, it does't add any.

With 4.10's (overkill) and a stall if it did run 15.7's it may now run 15.4's

Originally posted by CODY BEHNKE
How do you get that the V6 will run a 14.1 with those mods?

Stall and gears optimize horsepower application, it does't add any.

With 4.10's (overkill) and a stall if it did run 15.7's it may now run 15.4's
That is amusing.

no one expects the v6 to win, The LS1 probably has 120 HP more even with all the mods. He can't lose, all he has to do is push the pedal.

You guys are nuts 410s are the PERFECT for my car and with the big TC i'm in my peak torque range everytime i shift. my first run with just the 410s was a 15.7 BUT the last 300 ft i was bouncing off the govener that was screwed up bc of the gear change. i should have run a 14.9-15.0 that was almost a second better then my stock runs. i will be low 14s. by the way i will have drag radials and skinnies on and some minor weight reduction. the guy in the TA likes to add weight to his car not take it off. we will see who win.

sorry man, but he will spank you.

we will have to see

4.10's are alot for your car.....You know how much I gained from going to 3.23's to 3.73's? .05 of a second. Big gain there. Most people get .2-.3 tenths from a tq.

Have you dynoed your car yet...or are you figuring out your peak power via GM specs? Your saying that since your car broke up 300 ft from the end of the track, that cost you almost 1 second. So let's say it hit the rev limiter around 75-80 MPH, you stayed into it right...so you would have lost around .2-.3 tenths, not a second.

Skinnies help sometimes...I have seen cars run the same with skinnies or stock tires...do you have the stock 15" or 16" rim/tire combo? Normally a 15" rim/tire combo is not very heavy, even stock.

Just because you put parts on your car does not make it faster.

Originally posted by PullmeOverRed
we will have to see I think you mean you will have to see, we already know the outcome.;)

Originally posted by slvrbullet
anything is possible, i mean the guy does have 4.10 and a massive tc i have seen many lt1 run 14.3-14.6 with nothing wrong, you guys have such negative attitudes toward v6 its disgusting

Dude, I've owned a 3800 V6 Firebird so it has nothing to do with having a negative attitude toward v6 cars. It has everything to do with being realistic. If you think he's got a great chance at beating him, fine, but in the meantime I'm just helping to give a reality check...

96fbirdA4,
u are a perfect example, i would think that the almighty LS1 would be able to do a little better than a 13.7 (what u ran)! STOCK. u are more than stock. so, like i said....the v6 should be a low 14 sec car and the TA driver STOCK (bad driver) should run about the same. i am failing to see why this is so hard to comprehend.

Originally posted by djcam
96fbirdA4,
u are a perfect example, i would think that the almighty LS1 would be able to do a little better than a 13.7 (what u ran)! STOCK. u are more than stock. so, like i said....the v6 should be a low 14 sec car and the TA driver STOCK (bad driver) should run about the same. i am failing to see why this is so hard to comprehend.

My car isn't very representative of the LS1 population. Aside from being in a major accident with frame damage and having a salvage title (see website for pics), I've had some problems getting the engine to run without KR.

Think about it, a car with my mods only putting out 308rwtq. Should be a little higher than that don't you think? :) Especially when most other LS1's (98's included) dyno well over 315rwtq bone stock...

If he beats him, fine, no skin off my back.

Besides, I never claimed to be even a decent driver :rolleyes:

i did forget to say that his car has been in 3 wrecks. one major and 2 minor.

Originally posted by UNFNick2
ya you might be alright in 1st and 2nd gear but after that you'll be smoked by some car lengths, trust me...i gotta V6 5 speed y87 bird and i can hang till i have to get to 3rd then its bye bye birdie.

if he's got an automatic its pretty hard for him not to shift at the exact right points in the rpm band while if your a manual it takes a professional to hit it right everytime to get the max hp/tq

I thought Y87 was the RPO fir that package on Camaros...

On Firebirds isn't it W68?

Originally posted by formula79
I thought Y87 was the RPO fir that package on Camaros...

On Firebirds isn't it W68?

Y87 is the performance package for Camaro or Firebird. W68 is the sport appearance package firebird code.

I have a 98 Camaro v6 and I have beat an RS and mustang GTs so sometimes It does have to do with the driver but hell Ive been beat by a civic too so you never know. "Civic had NOS":eek:

Originally posted by Maro98
I have a 98 Camaro v6 and I have beat an RS and mustang GTs so sometimes It does have to do with the driver but hell Ive been beat by a civic too so you never know. "Civic had NOS":eek:

Keep in mind that some of the 5.0 Mustangs only had like 215hp and some 3rd gen RS Camaro's had less than that, definitely 4th Gen V6 Camaro competition. A stock LS1 has a solid 120rwhp advantage on a stock 3800 V6, but anything can happen on the street...

Wow.. I need some popcorn.. keep it up guys.. this is the most entertainment I have seen today.. LOL.

But one question.. if you think the TA will run 13.7-14.0 and your hoping the v6 will run 13.9-14.3.. where is the confidence coming from? Just looking at the mean values of the two numbers you are looking at 13.85 and 14.1. If you are just wanting to know if it will be a close race then who knows.. maybe.. but you will lose regardless.

here is something to think about. what did you run your very first time at the track??????:confused:

hey man, there is only one way to find out ;)

let me also mention this...

when my car ran 15.9 this kid watned to run me in a maxima... his car did constant 14.8-14.9s

well, guess what....

I won.. and none of us spun either... it was an insane close race, but i had him the whole time until we hit 100 and i just pulled on him

Originally posted by Seal
hey man, there is only one way to find out ;) Rock, paper, scissors.

Its not negativity towards V-6s, just common sense. Nothin beats my v-6 Camaro and v-6 Firebird like a Trans Am/SS. I don't mind running my slow v-6 against those bid dawgs, because at least its just a better version of my car spanking me..and I DO MEAN SPANKING! Smoked, Owned, whatever the term, its not even gonna be close...If you race for slips, do you think I can have your gears :-)

Just tellin it like it is...6 can't beat 8 unless its blown w/ NOS..but even then.......

Now his car has been in three wrecks? So basically your saying this car is already messed up? If it is or isn't running properly, of course you can beat it. ;)

But in the real world, any "normal" stock automatic LS1(not much room for driver error) would spank your car in the full 1/4. IF you can hook up during the launch, you'll definitely get a good holeshot. But that T/A won't take real long to catch and pass you up.

Unless you have a gutted out drag car, don't expect to go any better than 14.5 @ 92-94 or so. He'll probably pull mid to high 13's @ 102-104. Although depending upon how each car is running, it could be a little closer.

Mike

2002 M6 Z28

Just tellin it like it is...6 can't beat 8 unless its blown w/ NOS..but even then....... [/B][/QUOTE]

Gee, you cant tell your a "edited" by this comment :rolleyes: Im not going to get into it with you but i will say a couple things. It is VERY possible to beat an ls1 with a 3.8 w/o nitrous. Just for example magnus aka keith prociuk runs 13.6 ALL MOTOR in his 97 3.8 bird. Yeah he has alot of mods but you said w/o poweradder no way can a 3.8 beat the v8, Im sory but someone must have rubbed off on you, The almighty "unbeatable" ls1 can and has been beat by a lesser motor already, even n/a vs n/a. Granted alot of ls1 run quicker tha 13.6 but alot dont as well. Magnus also has tuning issues so he is verycapable of low 13s n/a. Ill scan a slip of m car in april for you and ys is a 3.8 and yes it will be n/a.... on that run. ANd befre yo give me the two top reasons why that particular v6 can beat an ls1 save me the bulsh**. your first excuse wil be, he has allthose mods, yes he does have alot but like stated above the ls1 has 120 hp advantage from the factory and to make up for that much of an advantage without a poweradder that is simply amazing. and two, i like a challenge and also love to see the looks on peoples faces like yourself when my v6 blows their almighty lt1/ls1 away, after i say its just a 6. Its far more impressive to run low to mid 13s all motor in a 3.8 than it is to run that in an ls1, 99% of the ls1 will run that WOW big deal, but to run low to mid 13s in a n/a 3.8 is simply mind blowing, go ahead and show what a "edited" you are by making excuses, i wont waste my time having a pi**ing match with you.

If you guys would like this thread to be kept open......watch the name calling and use of inappopriate language......

......cause the padlock is in hand....and ready :)

Originally posted by All_InTheRED
If you guys would like this thread to be kept open......watch the name calling and use of inappopriate language......

......cause the padlock is in hand....and ready :)

Nice use of the "edited" :D :bow: to your moderator powers! :p

srry to make such a fus but all i'm saying is i think i can beat him his very first run at the track.

Well this has turned into quite an ugly soap opera, hasn't it? :rolleyes:

Talk is cheap...speculation is just that...speculation.

Just race the guy already.

it will be run soon. crappy weather is going to postpone this race. track doesnt even open till the 22nd of feb. but if this bad weather keeps up, it will be a few weeks off. but we will have pics and video of the race. stay tunned.

If he had a M6 and wasn't TERRIFIC at driving it, I'd say you could stand a chance. When I had my V6 there were two guys with Z28's at the strip, and they couldn't start worth a damn, they'd stall their cars off the line, grind sh*t up, I beat them both cause they couldn't use a clutch :D

In an A4 though, all you gotta do is hit the gas. Even if he hits it too hard and spins, once he gets traction he'll fly by you. You stand a chance in hell at beatin him dude.