Performance Switch?

Which Fourth Gen. had the performance switch? T/A wasnt it?

Not sure if it was T/A only, but it was a Pontiac only thing.

Not sure if it was T/A only, but it was a Pontiac only thing.

i remember reading about this a while back, and IIRC, camaro's have either the wiring for the switch, or the PCM has a pin for it. so theoretically you could rig up the same switch on a camaro, or a formula (if it's a T/A only feature).

My formula has it, so its not a T/A only thing.

It was a pontiac thing, camaros have the tables in the PCM for the performance shifting also, but you need a pushbutton to activate it. The wires are on a pair of connectors in the passenger side kick panel.

I think bret franker has the write up on how to do it, including an LED to see whn its activated, simple stuff if I remember correctly

There is info on my site on how to wire it up on the Camaro.

I can't find the wiring diagram for this on your site shoebox... I have a 95 Z and I NEED to find a way to disable that powe robbing system that it has. i love having it for wet weather but not all the time and NOT for launches. I have been screwed in races due to that crap too much to ever deal with again.

I can't find it on either site brents site or yours!! Help me out!!:eek:

http://shbox.com/1/tpbutton_diag.jpg

I can't find the wiring diagram for this on your site shoebox... I have a 95 Z and I NEED to find a way to disable that powe robbing system that it has. i love having it for wet weather but not all the time and NOT for launches. I have been screwed in races due to that crap too much to ever deal with again.

You're asking about the traction control system, and everyone else is talking about a shift "performance" button. The TCS system has a button to turn it off..... might explain why you can't find a wiring diagram.

Generally better to start your own thread than to highjack someone else's.

generally better to know that there is a diference with the tcs and performance button. didn't know before. now I do. :p :D ;) :cool: :o

So Is there a wiring diagram of the tcs button because my car doesnt have one..

So Is there a wiring diagram of the tcs button because my car doesnt have one..

If you don't have a button, you don't have TCS. You would need hudreds of dollars of additional parts to add TCS to your car. Most people that have it, disable it :D .

not listening. 95 camaro
has traction assist
has no button to shut it off
need to wire in button like pontiac has
button is responsible for traction control AND shift points
Who has the info?

are you sure your not callin the "low Traction" light Traction control? When I first got my car my eye went streight to where I knw the TCS button to be and it wasnt... but when I turned the key to on and all the guage lights lit up it said "LOW TRACTION" and i thought wtf, i dont have it... Turned out to be ABS.

I still have yet to do this switch mod :( I cant find a switch I like :P

not listening. 95 camaro
has traction assist
has no button to shut it off
need to wire in button like pontiac has
button is responsible for traction control AND shift points
Who has the info?

I heard you.

I'm telling you, if you have no TCS button on your console, you don't have traction control from the factory. Pure and simple.

I heard you.

I'm telling you, if you have no TCS button on your console, you don't have traction control from the factory. Pure and simple.

Some people are so hard-headed arent they....

generally better to know that there is a diference with the tcs and performance button. didn't know before. now I do.
need to wire in button like pontiac has
button is responsible for traction control AND shift points
Ummmmmmm, is it just me, or did you totally contradict yourself there?!??! :think: :shrug:

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't the "performance mode" button and "TCS" button completely seperate???? :confused:

And regardless, you're talking about a Camaro, which never had anything to do with the "performance mode", and only ever had either ABS or TCS. Now from the sounds of things, your car doesn't have TCS :rolleyes:. You first need to confirm that you have speed sensors on BOTH axles, right in behind the brakes, and the axles have reluctor wheels on them behind the hub where the wheel bolts on. That will be a good start ;). We'll go from there.

okay.... I might just have abs and not traction control... but I swear when the rear tires spin it cuts power to the car whether the brakes are being used or not. it is like a primitive traction control...I dont care what kind of button i USE. I will probably hide it anyway along iwth my nitrous, cutout and convertible switch... all stuffed uner the 02 center console...:)

Most cars have had ABS for a long time and yes, yours does. There is no "primitive traction control". Whatever problem you are having can't be related to a system that is not on your car. :D If you bought a button, there would be nothing to connect it to.
Perhaps you are getting some spark retard that is lowing your perceived power. Some monitoring with a scanner should be helpful to see what is going on.

ABS is not going to "cut power". ABS only adjusts line pressures while the brakes are applied when it detects slip. It does not activate during acceleration.

that is what I thought. Something cuts power then... and my car runs perfect. it is some kind of traction system I swear. it slightly kills the engine when the car starts to slide.....

it is a 95 camaro convertible silver on black. I can see all the wires under the console. I dont know.... this is a ****ty problem but I think the car has the wiring for the switch. I dont have an auto so I should throw it in and see if it shuts off whatever it is doing this... and if I could find somthing to shut off the abs too... can I wire a switch to that? I am mecp certified but I still would love to have somone with the wiring for this car worked out so I don't have to tear **** up

I wanted to do it while everything was apart.. I do have a scan master.. what would I look for? I think the spark retard sounds right..... how?? I swear if the rear wheels slip my engine bogs. it works great for a lot of things but not racing..

What is "mecp certified"? Scary.

How to use your ScanMaster:

http://members.aol.com/InjuneerZZ/ScanMast.htm

;) mobile electronics certified professional.2nd in my class.

is this only on early 4th gens, or do the late 4th have a similar transmission shift preformance mode? i have a 98 ls1 Z.
tia

is this only on early 4th gens, or do the late 4th have a similar transmission shift preformance mode? i have a 98 ls1 Z.
tia

You dont have it.

yea I don't have the outer reluctor rings but I swear my engine bogs when the rear tires spin... It has saved me a lot . I will spin out in snow or rain in a parking lot and the engine will bog and the car will go str8 a lil bit. so I thought that was traction control. come to find out there needs to be a box on the throttle body and I know about the individual wheel reluctor rings I have that on my other cars. I know those cars are newer then my camaro though so I am still trying to figure out what system. It has to be some kind of thing with the sensor in the rear axle right?? How else would the pcm know if the axle is spinning at different speeds I do have abs... fo sho. this sucks... I just wanted to square everything away before the new sound dampening material and carpet went in.. thanks for your help guys..:cool:

The reluctor on the ring gear and it's sensor feed speed info to the ABS computer-not the PCM. Only if you have TCS does the PCM get any info from the ABS system to alter performance. If your car bogs, you have a performance problem that needs to be tracked down.

good to know that about the computer feedback. Then the game plan is to get everything put back together then and see what happens. it might have been a slipping auto trans because that eventually died and I am replacing plugs and wires with another new set just to be safe even though the other set is fine. I have an msd coil and 6al which work fine but I am going to reground and sauder some connections. i'm switching to 1gauge cable for my battery in the trunk and the manual transmission and computer tune hopefully solves the problem.... if it isn't fixed and it is having a weird issue I am going to the shop where I had my gears installed....:D

i'm switching to 1gauge cable for my battery in the trunk and the manual transmission and computer tune hopefully solves the problem.... if it isn't fixed and it is having a weird issue I am going to the shop where I had my gears installed....:D
Most people who relocate their battery to the trunk find that 0-gage wire is best.

yea I ran 2 gauge and it wasn't working the best but it worked. now I bought the summit premium reloction kit. It does come with the terminals on and seems very thick and a large improvement over what I had. I dont have a large load right now but when I get a system I will definately start with the alternator and work my way out from there. I've done the copper wire calculations and my current draw and the 1 gauge wire will be perfectly fine unles I start running a few amps off it. might heat up a bit.;) But if you look it up you can find the conductivity of wire at different lengths and what kinds of strnd configurations work etc. I think I might need a beefy distrobution block maybe 1 to 3 1 gauge to a slightly smaller gauge but I can't find them big enough damn...

What is "mecp certified"? Scary.

How to use your ScanMaster:

http://members.aol.com/InjuneerZZ/ScanMast.htm
Car stereo installer

.....But if you look it up you can find the conductivity of wire at different lengths and what kinds of strnd configurations work etc. ...

Most licensed professional engineers with master degrees are familiar with electrical wiring design. But thanks for the advice. :D

no problem bro you know what they say there is no experience like REAl life experience :)

Didn't all Camaros have the performance shift program as default? Or is it only the 1996 and newer Camaros that do?

Didn't all Camaros have the performance shift program as default? Or is it only the 1996 and newer Camaros that do?

94-95s had it in the computer, but is was not the default program.

I have a friend that works For GM thats helping do our LS1 Interior/Engine Wiring Swap into an 89 IROC, and I ran this idea across him. He told me that looking at the tables of when it would shift, The Firebird has a softer "luxury" kind of set up normally and that that switch sets it to what the camaro normally has? I'm confused :lol:

I have a friend that works For GM thats helping do our LS1 Interior/Engine Wiring Swap into an 89 IROC, and I ran this idea across him. He told me that looking at the tables of when it would shift, The Firebird has a softer "luxury" kind of set up normally and that that switch sets it to what the camaro normally has? I'm confused :lol:

I don't know what to tell you, but the Camaro PCM has another set of values in the performance table that is even more aggressive.

I've never compared the normal or performance shift programs of the Camaro to the Firebird.

Is there a little write up other than the diagram on how to install a performance switch? Looking at the diagram, I'm unsure what exactly needs to be done?!? Can a toggle switch be used instead of a push button?

I thought "performance" mode was the default in Z28's...if you wire in the switch it will give you the "softer" mode in addition.....correct me if I'm wrong though.

I thought "performance" mode was the default in Z28's...if you wire in the switch it will give you the "softer" mode in addition.....correct me if I'm wrong though.

No you get harder shifts when its on I did it on my 94z, and to be honest with you I never use it lol. I am not sure there is any benefit from having it on other than it jerks a lot harder when it shifts.

Is there a little write up other than the diagram on how to install a performance switch? Looking at the diagram, I'm unsure what exactly needs to be done?!? Can a toggle switch be used instead of a push button?

Trifecta has a write-up about the performance mode. You can use a switch with a toggle, but it must be a momentary switch (springs back).

Didnt B&M sell a switch like this you could buy? Not saying its at all a good idea

I thought "performance" mode was the default in Z28's...if you wire in the switch it will give you the "softer" mode in addition.....correct me if I'm wrong though.

Nope, it is not true.

Didnt B&M sell a switch like this you could buy? Not saying its at all a good idea

It was not the same thing. The switch increased line pressure that destroyed a lot of people's older transmissions.

Yeah, i was debating getting one of those B&M Switches for my Bronco but heard REALLY bad reviews, so I ended up getting a real shift kit for it :lol:

Thanks for clearing that up for me shoebox once again great information for everyone.

FWIW im pretty sure the "Transmission Perform" was only for 94-95 Tran's Am's and Formuila's

my 95 T/A has it... and ive seen 94-95 T/A's with it and formulas too, but never a 96+ and im pretty sure the 93 used the older 700R4 non electronic trans and thus no TP button in it

that is what I thought. Something cuts power then... and my car runs perfect. it is some kind of traction system I swear. it slightly kills the engine when the car starts to slide.....

it is a 95 camaro convertible silver on black. I can see all the wires under the console. I dont know.... this is a ****ty problem but I think the car has the wiring for the switch. I dont have an auto so I should throw it in and see if it shuts off whatever it is doing this... and if I could find somthing to shut off the abs too... can I wire a switch to that? I am mecp certified but I still would love to have somone with the wiring for this car worked out so I don't have to tear **** up

How about taking the advice from a few posts above and start your own thread, instead of messing up this one.

I've looked at the button upgrade for the transmission. Does anyone have some creditable time slips for comparing engaged and not engaged?

Someone shoot this thread. Its giving too many people hope.

I've looked at the button upgrade for the transmission. Does anyone have some creditable time slips for comparing engaged and not engaged?

It does/changes nothing for WOT performance, so there is not going to be any difference.

thank you Mr. Box
simple answer gotta love em

Interesting topic...