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Old Aug 18, 2002 | 08:18 PM
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So I'm new to the furoms and I have only owned my 84 v6 Camaro for little over 6hours..lol. I'm also a full time member of the import scene. Not that I hate either demestics or Imports. I know tehy both have there good sides and bad. Anyways back to what this thread is really about. Ok you always hear about these Supras,skylines,3000gt's and even eclipes pushing close to 5-600HP or even higher. Why can't we ? I for one really don't wanna got out and buy a huge 350 v-8 and loose not only my cornering but my resonably cheap insurance too. So why is it we can't get our v6's to push what these high reving imports can do ? I know that we not only have a wieght DISADVANTAGE but teh GM v6's aren't the greatest cars. But isn't there something we can do without looking so bad and imbarrising our V8 brothers ?
Old Aug 18, 2002 | 10:09 PM
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Well , there is always a term called NOS or forced induction (Turbo or supercharger). But you have a diffrent V6 then I do so I dont really know about your carborated V6. NOS would be the cheaper way to go but I would suggest you rebuild your engine first.A turbo or supercharger would be nice but pricey and you would always have the power there with you . There is a guy on this board named Tiago that has a turbo on his 3.4L camaro , but he is the only one ive heard about with a turbo on there 3.4L.

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Old Aug 19, 2002 | 12:02 AM
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umm ok TURBO do they make a turbo for a 3.4L camaro last time I checked no do you have the time do a CUSTOM setup? what about the money for the laybor for someone who does not to mention the rebulid.

ahh nevermind its pointless just buy an SS.
Old Aug 19, 2002 | 12:30 AM
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Tiago custom built his turbo setup.

I think it would be easier to custom turbo a 3rd gen.

Problem with your car, is cast aluminum pistons. YOu can get custom ones made, I know taigo has a set of them, and for the connecting rods you can modfy some forged custom small block ones to fit, if you want me to llok further I will look up the exact one to do.

question is is it worth the effort of beefing up the internals on that motor? Like said, turbo buick 3.8L, or even a turbo 4.3L.

I would think the turbo 3.8L would be easier, and you can get stuff off of trans am TTAs, 3.8L turboed 3rd gen trans am.

If you do wnat to keep it your motor, if your 2.8L ever craps out, a 3.4L block will fit up with your intake, fuel injection, and all your accesories perfectly. Will give you about 30-40 extra hp on the motor.

Ciost between replacing the blocks is not that different also.

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Old Aug 19, 2002 | 12:32 AM
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By the way I had an 85 camaro for about two years before I shattered a piston in the motor.

I might have some tips on some problems you may run into with your car. Only difference my car had fuel injection yours doesn't.

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Old Aug 19, 2002 | 12:33 PM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Ryan94V6:
Well , there is always a term called NOS or forced induction (Turbo or supercharger). But you have a diffrent V6 then I do so I dont really know about your carborated V6. NOS would be the cheaper way to go but I would suggest you rebuild your engine first.

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Ok,

As far as the rebuild goes when I bought the car it had just had a new block put in and all. It also has a completely rebuilt transmission. So so far as rebuilds go I have nothing to worry about. Now all I have to do is figure out what it is I CAN do. I know it is carborated and I don't expect to find a Turbo kit for it. Now may it be the case that I can't find one I'll just look for a supercharger wich I know they do make one for the V6. I think anyway. As for the NOS goes please don't refer to it as NOS because NOS is a company not a something to be used as a second language like thoughs of the ricer generation have done. Besides Turbo cars are lighter then cars that are on the bottle.

Old Aug 19, 2002 | 01:08 PM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Blackbob:

Ok you always hear about these Supras,skylines,3000gt's and even eclipes pushing close to 5-600HP or even higher. Why can't we?
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I never heard of an eclipse with that much hp but I will take your word for it. Those people spend thousands of dollars to get there car that fast and it doesn't sound like you got the kind of money it takes.
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Blackbob:

So why is it we can't get our v6's to push what these high reving imports can do??
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Because the GM V6 (especially the 84) Wasn't made to compete with cars pushing 600hp
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Blackbob:

But isn't there something we can do without looking so bad and imbarrising our V8 brothers ?
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too late
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by xDoc315x:

ahh nevermind its pointless just buy an SS.
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Can't argue with that

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Old Aug 19, 2002 | 06:51 PM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by MustangEater82:
YOu can get custom ones made, I know taigo has a set of them, and for the connecting rods you can modfy some forged custom small block ones to fit, if you want me to llok further I will look up the exact one to do.

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I may be mistaken but I think that the 3.4 already has forged connecting rods.Hmmm,does anybody know for sure?

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Blackbob:
Ok you always hear about these Supras,skylines,3000gt's and even eclipes pushing close to 5-600HP or even higher. Why can't we ?

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We can and we did.In the late 80's GM had this motor with a turbo on the 3.8 V6.Also as stated above,the import guys spend tons of $$$$ to get that HP number.And they still have trouble running good 1/4 mile numbers.Supras usually take a lot more HP than a Z to run the same track times.You may be in luck though.Someone used to make a super charger for the older 2.8's.I'm not sure who but if it isn't made anymore you may be able to find one used.Good luck.
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Old Aug 19, 2002 | 06:57 PM
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[quote]<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by V6white98:
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Originally posted by Blackbob:

Ok you always hear about these Supras,skylines,3000gt's and even eclipes pushing close to 5-600HP or even higher. Why can't we?
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I never heard of an eclipse with that much hp but I will take your word for it. Those people spend thousands of dollars to get there car that fast and it doesn't sound like you got the kind of money it takes.
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Blackbob:
Well I might have that moeny now,but think about it never did thoughs ppl it all added up over time they just dedicated everything they had to their car. As should any hardcore car person,that's just my opinion. Now if I can get this thing to do something even if it was to just run 13's that would be cool so I could atleast prove a point.


So why is it we can't get our v6's to push what these high reving imports can do??
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Because the GM V6 (especially the 84) Wasn't made to compete with cars pushing 600hp

Ok,Then what can they compete with ? or atleats what can they push ?

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Blackbob:

But isn't there something we can do without looking so bad and imbarrising our V8 brothers ?
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too late

It's never to late to fix it !

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by xDoc315x:

ahh nevermind its pointless just buy an SS.
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Can't argue with that

Yeah you can it's called insurance !




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Old Aug 19, 2002 | 07:05 PM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by nikkev:
We can and we did.In the late 80's GM had this motor with a turbo on the 3.8 V6.Also as stated above,the import guys spend tons of $$$$ to get that HP number.And they still have trouble running good 1/4 mile numbers.Supras usually take a lot more HP than a Z to run the same track times.You may be in luck though.Someone used to make a super charger for the older 2.8's.I'm not sure who but if it isn't made anymore you may be able to find one used.Good luck.
Kevin

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Yeah I know they all paid big money but then again who said going fast was cheap ? Then again it can be cheaper with some cars then others though. Thanks for all the info keep it comming.



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Old Aug 19, 2002 | 07:08 PM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Blackbob:
Now if I can get this thing to do something even if it was to just run 13's that would be cool so I could atleast prove a point.</font>
Oh 13s no problem just uh... ice the air intake that should do it.


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Old Aug 19, 2002 | 08:50 PM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Blackbob:
Yeah I know they all paid big money but then again who said going fast was cheap ? Then again it can be cheaper with some cars then others though. Thanks for all the info keep it comming.

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Well,here you go man.If you want to run with the big dogs and money is no boost,try the following:
-Forge the bottom end and raise the compression slightly or lower it if you want to run boost.
-Throw in a head/cam package complete with roller rockers and the whole nine yards.
-Upgrade the fuel system with high-flow pumps and anything else that a carbourated motor needs.
-Then add a large shot of nitrous,oh a 150-200 HP shot should do .(Or a turbo if you prefer that type of boost)
-Make sure the tranny and rear can handle it.
-Add some drag radials or slicks so you can get traction.
-Also beef up the suspension and brakes so you can stop from those high speeds .
-Lighten the car up as much as possible.
Then you'll be pushing at least 300-350 rwhp and should see mid-low 13's or lower if you can get the power to the ground.Of course to do this right won't be cheap.But hey,money is no option right I'd like to see any ricer hang with that! (notice I said ricer and not racer.
Kevin

Edit: Did you see my slip-up?I said if money is no boost .I meant to say if money is no object!

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Old Aug 20, 2002 | 05:50 PM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">I for one really don't wanna got out and buy a huge 350 v-8 and loose not only my cornering</font>
Hehe thats funny.

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Old Aug 20, 2002 | 08:26 PM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by nikkev:
Well,here you go man.If you want to run with the big dogs and money is no boost,try the following:
-Forge the bottom end and raise the compression slightly or lower it if you want to run boost.
-Throw in a head/cam package complete with roller rockers and the whole nine yards.
-Upgrade the fuel system with high-flow pumps and anything else that a carbourated motor needs.
-Then add a large shot of nitrous,oh a 150-200 HP shot should do
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Sounds like a plan lol

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