Well, I wont get into the stick vs auto argument because I think each has its own virtues.

But I will say that I have serious doubts that a typical stock 3.4 of any transmission type will beat a stock 3.8 of any transmission type with equal drivers.

Every 3.4 I see at the track, modded or stock, is in the 16s or sometimes even 17s. Now before the flames begin, I'm saying this is what I've typically seen. Obviously not every 3.4 is in the 16s and 17s. Similarly, most 3.8 cars I see at the track, stock or bolt ons, is in the low to high 15s, with an occasional low 16.

 

Screw that, unhook exhaust behind the CAT, and unhook the air filter. I think tha will make up the HP differnecnce.

yes I have seen my car run a 15.6(I was in it), and I ahve seen my roomate run a 16.8 in his 99 3.8L 5-speed. I have also seen a 3.8L 5-speed run a 14.9 nad a 3.4L auto run a 17.2.

ITs jsut the driver.

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You either misread or misunderstood or both of the above. I said I wanted to see a mod that puts down ALL OF ITS HP. By that I mean a mod that produces 25hp at the crank as well as 25hp at the wheels.

My point is it will take more then 25hp at the crank for a 3.4 to beat a 3.8 assuming that not all 25hp get to the ground.

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99 Black SS A4 t-tops a ton of factory options plus white face gauges which have a disputable hp gain. (formerly V6white98, changed cars)

 

Umm,exactly.That's 1 mod and puts down 14 hp to the wheels,not the crank.I never said this mod put all it's hp to the ground You'll never see a mod that makes the same hp at the crank and at the wheels.It's impossible due to driveline loss.Maybe I missed something you were saying?Anyway,all I'm saying is that this argument is stupid.A 3.4 and 3.8 aren't that far apart.It's like the stupid argument over the LT1/LS1.I have been humbled by many,many LT1's.It mostly comes down to a driver's skill and driver error.The 3.4 is a great block and it's used as the motor of choice for off-road and Baja racing.

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That was the first point I made, guess I could have straight out said it, but wasn't this funner?

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99 Black SS A4 t-tops a ton of factory options plus white face gauges which have a disputable hp gain. (formerly V6white98, changed cars)

 

I just thought I'd add that the reason the fastest V8 cars on these boards have automatics is

1) They don't eat clutches
2) They don't eat clutches
3) They are more consistent at the track for bracket racing

I also thought I'd add that the LS1 M6's on average dyno 10-15rwhp higher than a similarly equipped A4. They will also have a trap speed 3 or 4 mph higher than an auto. So the M6 has a lower drivetrain loss on average.



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- Steve - 1998 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am
LS1 A4, 2.73's, Kumho Ecsta Supra 712 245/50/ZR16's, Direct Flow Lid, GMAF, !FRA, Loudmouth, 3" Y-Pipe, AIT Mod, Fan Switch Mod
13.774 @ 103.33, 300.5rwhp & 308.6rwtq, 97+ RPO Codes

 

Havent you guys realized that all the argueing is pointless? How old are you guys again? Just my $.02

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