which is faster stock vs.stock?

 

Your joking right?

3.8L no question...

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-Nathan
1996 Camaro
3.8L Series II, SLP Cold-Air Intake, Catco cat, Accel 8mm wires, and a Borla catback.
1995 Dodge Stealth R/T
Twin Turbo 3.0L AWD M6,A'PEXi AVC-R boost control, Blitz Blow-off valve, K&N FIPK, Denso Iridium plugs, 245/40/18 Kumho Supra, Borla Catback,all Mobil 1 fluids.
*VVvvTTttFFff*

 

j/k

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Kyle M
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2000 Metallic Pewter Camaro V6 A4
Performance: Flowmaster 80 w/ WS6 tips, FlowTech cutout, custom ram-air, custom whisper lid, K&N
Appearance: blue neon underbodies, blue reflective concepts
Times:
60': 2.091
1/8: 9.511
1/4: 14.946 @ 90.1MPH

 

3.4 no question...

Don't I wish!

 

Depends on the cars.

if the 3.4 is a manual and the 3.8 is an auto, and the 3.4 is a base model (no power) and the 3.8 is a base model (power crap thrown in) -- then the 3.4 will keep up, if not win..

manual over auto, no power accy over the extra weight in the 3.8. so dont just go sayin the 3.4 wont win.

dont believe me? i dont care.

-R

 

I believe you, I have more hten once proven my drivng skills to overcome plenty of slightly modded 3.8L.

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1994 Medium Quaser Blue Camaro
3.4L V6 w/ 5-speed
Homeade CAI with a huge K&N cylinder filter, Single outlet Flowmaster with resonator, Accel 8mm ignition wires, Splitfire plugs, 3.42 gears and posi off a 97 WS6, 1 piece steel driveshaft, Converted to 4-wheel disc brakes, 1LE transmision mount, 1LE sway bars, Prothane bushings and endlinks, BMR Strut tower brace, ASP underdrive pulleys
Lightest Weight: 3160
My fat ***: 260
15.696@86.22 with a 2.214 60'!
Best R/T .507
Best 60' 2.106

Father's Stock 2000 Navy Blue Camaro
3.8L V6 w/ 5-speed
15.875@88.25 With wheel spin in 1st

AIM: MustangEater82

 

Ok you guys, he said stock for stock, and a stock 3.4 will lose to a stock 3.8. And why are you trashing on auto trannies? Look at most of the guys on this board with the fastest times, you'll notice they have a4's. An auto vs. a manual is not going to make up 40 hp and 25 #/ft.

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'96 3.8 M5
Flowmaster 2.5" catback
SLP CAI
SLP takeoff LSD
Z28 driveshaft
clear corners
15.236@91.77
my car

 

AHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!

When will everyone learn the fact that an AUTOMATIC IS NORMALLY FASTER THEN A STANDARD! Repeat after me everyone, automatics are faster then standards. One more time! Automatics are faster then standards.

There we go! We're moving right along now!

The car doesn't matter. A 3.8L will beat a 3.4L unless the 3.4L is decently modified, or the 3.8L has some major mechanical problems. Even if the 3.8L has power, etc and the 3.4L doesn't. Power stuff weighs a whole... hmm... 15-20 pounds max. That makes absolutely 0 difference. If you're gonna go that far, you could say the person that's driving the car who weighs less will win!

Not saying you're in high school, but it seems that every uneducated teengager (not saying anything bad about teens in general, I'm 18) these days has it in their heads from propaganda they hear from other people, that standards are faster then automatics. If these people see a person with an automatic, the first thing that pops out of their mouth is "Why the hell did you get an auto? Manual's are so much faster". The only case that a manual tranny is faster then an automatic, is if you're one of the few people in the world (usually only very good race car drivers) who can shift a manual as fast as an automatic tranny shifts. Maybe 1% of the people on this message board will be able to shift a stick as fast as an auto. Check out some performance parts webpages who are building very very fast/powerful f-bodies. All their cars have automatics. Check out Tbyrne Motorsports' sub-10 second Z28. It came stock a manual, but one of the first things they did to the car was put an automatic in it.

Not saying anything bad about sticks, they're fun as hell to drive... if I had my choice again, I probably would have gotten a stick just for the fun-factor. But it's a fact that an automatic is 99.9% of the time faster.

 

A Manual IS faster, there is less drivetrain loss, more power gets to the rear wheels. This is a fact.

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'97 Z28 M6

Edelbrock Headers, K&N FIPK, Hooker Cat Back, 3" Flowtech Cutout, Pro-5.0 Shifter, SLP Air Foil, 160* Thermostat, LT4KM, !CAGS, !MAF, !TB, !FANS, 245/50/16 Nitto 555R

Best ET 13.510@102.73
1.974 60Ft

 

True, but what they are saying is that the time it takes to shift with a manual out weighs the fact that it has less drivetrain loss.

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white 98 V6 A4 3.8l Camaro, t-tops, Leather, JVC stereo, Pioneer speakers, power antenna, dynomax muffler, K&N air filter, custome ram air, and a whisper lid.

 

I understand where he is coming from, but thats just not true unless the driver is HORRIBLE. its a significant difference in drivetrain loss. Plus, you can powershift a manual and have virtually no time lost to shifting.

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'97 Z28 M6

Edelbrock Headers, K&N FIPK, Hooker Cat Back, 3" Flowtech Cutout, Pro-5.0 Shifter, SLP Air Foil, 160* Thermostat, LT4KM, !CAGS, !MAF, !TB, !FANS, 245/50/16 Nitto 555R

Best ET 13.510@102.73
1.974 60Ft

 

Wanna bet? Go post it in the lounge. Anyone who knows what they're talking about will tell you the automatic is faster. Where do you get more drivetrain loss from an automatic? They don't have more drivetrain loss. The gears in an auto, and the clutch and all on a standard will be the same. And shifting wise, and automatic shifts almost instantly. Barely anyone with a manual could keep up with that. Sure, if you power shift... but then you're gonna f*ck your tranny up.

If you don't believe that, head over to a timeslips page, like the one on www.firebirdv6.com . All the fastest cars are automatics. All the fastest cars in my car club are automatics. All the fastest cars you'll see at your local dragstrip will normally be automatics.

If it's a FACT that there's sooo much drivetrain loss in an automatic that it's gonna be slower, show me this equation? Prove it. An automatic has the same, if not less drivetrain loss then a manual.

[This message has been edited by GrdLockV6 (edited May 23, 2002).]

 

Ok, this conversation MIGHT be intresting if you even had a clue what you are talking about. YES a modded car with an auto with a converter is gonna be faster, but STOCK vs STOCK a manual has LESS drivetrain loss then an AUTO. that is COMMON KNOWLEDGE. Do you even know what a torque converter is or how it works? Have you ever looked at the dyno numbers on auto's vs manuals when they are stock??? I suggest you read up and stop making a fool of yourself...

http://web.camaross.com/bb/Forum1/HTML/094606.html
http://web.camaross.com/bb/Forum1/HTML/099430.html
http://web.camaross.com/bb/Forum1/HTML/100325.html

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'97 Z28 M6

Edelbrock Headers, K&N FIPK, Hooker Cat Back, 3" Flowtech Cutout, Pro-5.0 Shifter, SLP Air Foil, 160* Thermostat, LT4KM, !CAGS, !MAF, !TB, !FANS, 245/50/16 Nitto 555R

Best ET 13.510@102.73
1.974 60Ft

 

Some kids will never learn!!!!

 

http://www.edmunds.com/ownership/dri...4/article.html
http://www.howstuffworks.com/torque-converter.htm

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'97 Z28 M6

Edelbrock Headers, K&N FIPK, Hooker Cat Back, 3" Flowtech Cutout, Pro-5.0 Shifter, SLP Air Foil, 160* Thermostat, LT4KM, !CAGS, !MAF, !TB, !FANS, 245/50/16 Nitto 555R

Best ET 13.510@102.73
1.974 60Ft