ok mr. moderator...i see you couldnt come up with any factual #'s to support your 3.42/3.73 in a NA 3.8 theory

 

Yup. You're right. I'm wrong. I'm 16 and don't even own an f-body. Are you happy? Believe what you will, I don't give a crap. Are you that hard up? Feel like a big shot? I said before, people are free to do what they wish. It's no wonder I don't spend much time posting on this board when kids like you have to bash others that don't think the same way you do. Post what you wish, I'll crawl back to mom's house and hide my head in shame 'cuz U owned me. This thread has turned so pathetic it's not even entertaining.

hmmmm.... time to try the "ignore user" feature of the board. I should have known, based on the meaning of the username of "F off"

To anyone everyone else, feel free to do what you wish. Life is too damned short to bicker on the internet like children. I'll continue to subscribe to what I believe, you should do the same. That's the beauty of the free world.

 

joe 1320, i don't really understand where you did your research or what you are claiming to drive here. you talk about running 10's from a footbrake and claim to know all about n/a 3.8's at teh same time.
if you have been around drag racing any amount of time you should know that the final drive is the one that allows you to use the entire power band in each gear of the quarter mile. having enough gear means coming across the line shortly after going past the rpm of peak horse power.
this has been proven in a few million stock class cars, street/strip cars, and quick street cars.
traction is a seperate issue from gearing. if your car has proper suspension it will hook or be able to be tuned for hook regardless of what gears you are running.
you can try to play off getting chumped by foff667 all you want, but you did in the end actually sound like a 16year old.
by the way, i have been involved in racing for as long as you have, so don't try to play your BS knows all role with me.

later
tim

 

Tim,

see my signature for what runs 10s.

a GNX clone with a .030 over trws, 109 block, rjc girdle, steel mains, rolled fillet crank, ATR billet roller, ported 8445s with big valves, PT-70 and dare I say, a 10 bolt with 3.42s albiet with a 28" tall tire. Worked trans with a few billet internals, a decent amount of suspension mods. Leaving off the foot brake means no trans brake, using the regular brakes to build boost and launch. I don't pull any crap, I am not into calling people out, I'm not into playing games and I don't appreciate it when people talk smack and bait me into a bickering match. I'm into performance, tech stuff and general camradery. When folks decide to make something personal, I do get a little pissy. If I offended anyone else, my apologies. I've done more than my fair share of racing and building and I tried to offer a different theory which I have had a personal hand in making work. If people don't want to hear it, that's fine too, I'm not going to start an issue over it. I just subscribe to not shooting the messenger. If that's the way people are going to be, then I'll keep to myself. As far as BS knows all role, see my above statement..........fwiw, I'm all ears when people have first hand experience and offer just that, not a non V6 owner quoting what other v6 owners have done and bait a pissing match. I also make it a habit of learning something every day, that's why I frequent many boards. As far as research, I've run several N/A 3.8s starting as far back as the mid 80s. The only thing that I can say as far as lack of knowledge is that I haven't torn into a series II. As far as sounding like a 16 year old, I merely gave him what he wanted to hear. Probably not the right thing to do, but after the 18th consecutive 14 hour workday, I'm tired and a little pissy.

Regards, Joe

 

joe, if you are worried about tech then you shouldn't be paying attention to who does or doesn't own a V6. the name of the game is ET, that takes gearing and traction.
advising people who are trying to be quick against gearing when they don't make 1/4 of the power your car has will not going to help.
all of the drag racing logic and the proof in real world seriesII 3800 cars says that gear is good. offering an alternate theory of which direction the world turns isn't tech at that point, it is starting the disagreement you claim to be trying to avoid.
BTW, foff667 owns a V6 car currently and has run others in the past. he is also a master tuner and has owned several quick V8 cars. don't doubt his tech jsut because he doesn't have the same car as you

later
tim

 

best wishes, thanks for stating the obvious. lol.

 

Dang guys its just an opinnion.

Its like arguing whats better nitrous or FI?

Its just an opinion... whats worse its horrible to base it off of the v6 f-body community...


For years there was always the argument of whats faster autos are manuals... Then people woudl point out that only autos ran fast times for v6s(before little G), so the conclusion is autos are faster then manuals (I agree fully built autos are more consistant, but average bolt on car, manual is better, especially without a tune)

People may say that nitrous is better then FI, because well all the fastest cars were juiced. But maybe its jsut because non of the FI guys has gotten the numbers at the track yet.

Also goes to say with gears... You can argue that "the fastest cars have 4.10s" but I can say, look at all the cars you listed, you probably listed the most extreme cars of the v6 community.

What about shirl? she has the fastest v6 f-body and doesn't have 4.10s to my knowledge?

Didn't james run better times on juice with 3.23s then with 3.42s?

WickEdSix98-Heads/Cam NA-4.10's-13.3@102 pretty much the prototype for the newest, biggest heads cam building shop for v6 f-body community
LittleG-Stock heads/cam NA-4.10's-13.5@100 race weight of like 2,900 lbs
Magnus-Heads/Cam NA-4.10's-13.6@98 race weight of like 2900 lbs and doesn't he hold the internally stock ls1 record in the 9s now with the same car, so it has a bit more then just 4.10s.
12SecondV6-??? NA-4.10's-13.7@96 race weiht of like 2900 lbs

Thats just listing one of the bigger mods ont he cars.


4.10s may or may not be the best, I don't know, never ran 4.10s on my car. Maybe 99v6cam will let me run his car down the track one day. But I just have to say that is not a "unbiased test" to say these v6ers ran good because of their 4.10s.

 

generally speaking auto's are more consistant then manuals because of more human error going into shifting consistancy...thats not to say there arent people that cant do well bracket racing their manual tranny cars. Manual cars generally will trap at higher speeds though because of less drivetrain loss.

I wont get into the differnt types of FI because I love them all for different reasons but all 3 have their pros & cons.

I was only referring to NA 3.8's because they are the best candidates. With their limited powerband generally with hp peaking at less then 5500 rpms and maxing top end mph of 100-105mph. Nitrous, blower & turbo cars are going to make power in different parts of their powerband and also run more mph...look at malice running turbo/nitrous and hitting 116 trap speeds with 4.10's he'd shift to 5th gear with his m5 so obviously hes not a good candidate for 4.10's since a change to an OD gear is not going to be the best option. Same with Shirl whos trapping similar, same as james who with nitrous was trapping similar. The name of the game is avg hp & how long you can be in that consistant range for. Its not about having 3.23 gears so your shift extensions fall back to 3000rpms when your peak hp is at 5300.