I love vipers. Almost 119 mph trap speed. The new ones trap 124 mph. Geez. That's nice. New SRT-10s are 10 second cars w/ slicks. Amazing huh?

 

It will be close, but the longer the race goes the better the chance you have......you have a mostly stock 98 Z M6, which I never seen do any better than 102-103 stock.

You should be able to start reeling him in by 50mph, pass him by 90 mph and start pulling hard by 105mph........

 

dude whos talking about vipers in here

 

Noone, but there was a link to a bunch of stock cars in an acceleration test, and the Viper was in 1st, and I was impressed w/ it, so I had to say something.

 

I think you can take him. I would like to have a 3000GT though, I think they are sweet cars.

 

 

You may be referring to newer 2000-2002 LS1 F-Body's. The 98's specifically were not the fire breathing samples of the 2000-02 brothers.

My cousin's 98 6-speed could hardly pull on our then stock 96 Lt1 6-speed.

 

I agree that the 01's and 02's are stronger no doubt, but I still haven't seen any LS1 perform that poorly around here. I do believe those pigs exist though.

 

it's been awhile since I hit this forum, and a lot has changed for me- sold my wife's 1991 VR4, am selling my 92 Stealth TT, bought a 93 notch stang and hates it...

but it's always nice to see John M around spreading the good word...

Words of wisdom FROM a 3/S TT owner (or multiple owner as the case is)- don't underestimate.

A lot of guys can't drive these cars, a lot of owners neglect these cars, and they hit their limits kinda early (John M should be considered just a little better than average for a 2nd Gen 3/S TT - most stock turbo guys give up around 12.7-12.5 and start hitting bigger turbos. I pushed my stockers to around 115 traps and yes I was among the fastest there have ever been on stockers) - HOWEVER- a LOW 13/high 12 second 2nd Gen isn't hard to come by, they hit that on the street on pump gas. Now that's important - as you may need DR's, and you will still spin, but he won't... not on the launch, not on the shifts- don't kid yourself to think there's no TQ either- 300+FT/lbs are made WITHOUT THE BOOST!

They are capable- they are getting old, and neglected too, so I understand. I've owned a pair of them, and opened MANY LS1/LT1/4.6DOHC and other owners eyes... properly driven and well cared for- and you have a match. Yes they have a weaker top end- you WILL be catching up... but all it takes is 1320 feet for you to lose.

As far as finding a good VR4- you WON'T unless you realize that you cannot find a good one for $6000-7500 - people assume because they see high mileage 1st gen's for that, that you shouldn't pay more for a good one... you should. Expect $9000-10000 for a good well maintained or freshly rebuilt 1st gen, expect 11000-15000 for a good 2nd gen. You can find steals- I bought my wife's 91 VR4 for $5500 with a new bottom end and 125K on the ticker... I sold it a year and 50K later for $7500 - so you can find deals and good cars for cheap- but expect to pay a little more than you would for a 5.0L

And I'm really hoping John get's his new turbos on soon

 

What are you saying? I guarantee you will not get 300 awtq without turbos on a stock 3000gt.

 

300AWTQ -no
300TQ at motor?

yeah

check your spec on the N/A - they are rated at 300ft/lbs and have no turbos.

The 6G72 is basically a truck motor, a stroker V6. Where does peak TQ hit on the stock 3/S TT? 2500RPM... turbos are just starting to spool at 2500 rpm stock.

Now since we've had like NO ONE dyno a 6G72 TT on an engine dyno, and VERY few people dyno a stock TT anyway, both of us will be hard pressed to make believers - but the peak TQ hits OFF boost. That's the reason why I love these cars- enough TQ to move decently off boost... boost comes on so do the


Turbos don't do any good if they aren't spooled.

BTW- I've been wrong before, so it's entirely possible I'm wrong here, but as I've been in these cars for 5 years, and have done more than most, I'm stickin to it

 

The NA models have 201 lb/ft. Less than a 3.8 Camaro which has 225.

 

I've annihilated alot of stealths/vr4s, but then again I've seen some really fast ones too, so you never know. It takes alot to keep those cars in good shape, but when one is running right is a force to be reckoned with.

 

The non turbo motors do not make 300 lb/ft. They make about 200 lb/ft. Motor Trend lists the turbo's peak torque as 307-315 lb/ft (depending on year) at 2500 rpm. These are flywheel ratings for stock cars. You can bet if you pulled off the turbos, the thing would not even make close to 300 lb/ft of torque anywhere in the rev range!

 

okay


so you guys are right- I was OWNED by my own site - http://www.team3s.com/FAQ-Specs1.htm

the turbos are just barely spooled at 2500RPM with stock cats in place, so I guess I have to admit a big defeat and try and remember I was wrong today when trying to set things straight

the chebby owners

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