But that's what the Civic did. They took a cheap car, slapped on a turbo and now they're happy they can run with stock v8's. Whoopi. Give me a cheap LT1, slap a turbo on it and I'll run with Vipers. Anything the honda can do we can do better....

Jason

 

I know, that's not what I'm argueing. I'm just saying that when a LT1 or LS1 loses for some unGodly reason to a cheap turbo'ed civic, they shouldn't come back with 'if I had a turbo'..and blah blah blah. The fact still remains in that instance that the civic won, and whether it's cheap or not it would still be a fast car and deserves the respect. When it comes to the drivers, that's a whole different story. Hope this is makin some sense, sounds a lot better in my head

 

that so? care to tell me what they are? because way i see it, people that bought 4th gens in some cases paid 20-30k for a decent engine and tranny, a pos rear end, a sub par suspension, and an interior that makes a cavalier look like a Benz. so where exactly is the great deal that these cars are supposed to be? you can put 5k into them and run low 12s? you can do that with a civic as well. hell by that logic, those new electric cars are better than every car in the world because they dont need any mods to run with a viper stock.

geoff is right, every time theres a honda thread in here, skyhawk, 85_305(matt) and that vette guy come in with something stuck up their *** hell bent on making sure they argue without any facts. because ive never seen any facts posted by any of them. i just showed several examples to prove matt wrong. hell come back with some idiotic notion abotu rwd bein superior (even tho thats not what we are agruing about here) and how the 205wtq that one made is really low (again not what we are arguing here) and never post anything difference. i only know what one of them drives and its a carbed 305 3rd gen. hell my bolt on L98 wouldnt have any problem with that. but do you see me making repetative posts sh*t talking his car?

 

i dont know if your calling me out of not by mentioning my name in that statement but i use to own a Honda and thought it was the **** until i bought the car i have now. I am currently building up a motor to go in my Firebird. I guarantee you it will be faster than all of the Hondas that you have posted on this board, i basically have the money to do whatever i want right now with my car and im going all out on the motor. Instead of spending the money on a Vette its going into my car.

So yes, i will be able to back up everything i say. I dont know about all the other people posting in the thread, im not them so i dont know, but i know that i will be able to. I will be sure to get you videos and time slips once i get down with the build. I will also be sure to get videos of me smoking every import i run into if you want me to.

You want to hear the funny thing too, all my import buddys cant wait till i get done with the car, they all want to drive it.

So we shall see in the upcoming months what will happen.

 

Well ok....I'll just use the list you started...

I wouldn't call the LS1 decent...I think it goes beyond that...and the LT1 in it's day was pretty top notch too...good enough for a vette...I do believe these cars were somewhat innovators for 6 speeds at an affordable price...and the stock rear end will go into the 12's some have gone lower...sub par suspension...you must be kidding...what civic had road race suspension as an option...and interior...you shmuck you point out the cavy with leather and I'll apologize for calling you names...

Yeah everyone was bitchin bang for the buck on the 4th gen ...so let me get this straight I take a 13.5 LS1 put 5K and go 12.1...I take a 16.5 civic put 5K in it and also go 12.1...wow...I'm pretty sure for 5K on an ls1 I could break into the 11's easy...do you even read anything else on this board...

and i dont even know WTF this means

 

Which would you rather be seen in? This:

http://www.ericksracing.com/images/gm1.jpg

or this?:

http://members.***.net/mbrown777/7.jpg

Bolt-on LT1 + currently jetted w/100 shot. So yeah, it's fast too, it didn't cost me an arm and a leg (car or mods), and I didn't have to do any costly upgrades or find a bottom end from some other car.

http://www.geocities.com/TheTropics/Shores/1951/13.jpg

 

dont worry, he doesnt either.

 

[QUOTE=87camracer]matt matt matt. matty. mathew.

lol..

 

Yes, you are correct; Myself as well as others that come to THIS *CAMARO BOARD* to GET AWAY FROM THE IMPORT TRASH *do* get mad when the ******'s from some damned honduh-tech forum come here ONLY to start ****
Why do I get worked up over this topic? Well maybe because as far as WORLDS HISTORY go, honduhs have never been ANYTHING except for granny-assed grocery getters. Old people and poor people drive them because they can always find them cheap (usually rusting in the early 90's and earlier's case) [NOTE: NO offense to the poor people of this board ] So.. all of a sudden, out of no-where a 117hp civic is fast according to these ***-loving faygoats. Ok.. 117hp is alot? Umm.. not the last time anybody checked the history books; my dads BONE STOCK 1967 Camaro 2spd had more power than that Well, the ricer says "naw dog.. stick a turbo on that civic and I can take your V8!". Wow.. that is a relly valid argument for driving an ugly-assed, no-power, ballsless piece of freaking crap that is KILLING our economy and contributing to the japs (that by the way, take almost NOTHING from this country, yet we continue trade with them...) Ok.. so you take a 117 hp civic, slap on a turbo and call yourself fast. Wow.. you spent 10 grand on making your car as fast as a STOCK Camaro, Viper, what-have-you. Well, just to make this argument fair we are going to not only buy a turbo for 3g's, but use that 7g's you have left over (becaue we are spending the same ammount as you did on your honduh here...) and guess what? Since we have the turbo-LS1 in the 11's w/ just the turbo, spend that 7g's on some suspension/motor mods, and you are DEEP into the 8's or less.
Wow.. we have got a GREAT argument going on here eh?

 

Ok; facts. Lets talk facts. Your 2000? honduh puts out 117hp stock. (my dads 40+ year old Camaro put out TONS more than that stock, but hey; thats a different argument right?) A 2000? LS1 Camaro puts out over 300hp stock. Fact. Whose better? The honduh. Fact. Why? Because all it takes is 10g's in mods and you are on level with a BONE STOCK LS1. Fact. BUT.. there is a flipside to this convo. You can do one of 2 choices; you can take that SAME turbo that honduh used, and have 500+hp on that LS1. Or, as a second option you can take that 10g the honduh owner spent, and be well over 7-800 hp.
But hey; the honduh is better because you can spend TONS of money on it and STILL get NOWHERE FACT.

 

Why the HELL would I give somebody that spend THOUSANDS of dollars on a honduh, FINALLY hit 13's, and has the UGLIEST and most TASTELESS car on the face of the planet, credit??? I took a, as everybody calls it, "boat-anchor of a 305", spent 400 bucks (including the rebuild..) and have MORE power than your "awesomely phat, hip-hop yo-yo g-money clip" honduhs are putting out; WITH TURBO'S AT THAT! Why in the FOCK would I commend somebody on that?
Well.. I can see *one* instance I would commend someone like that. Their insane stupidity. There is nothing more stupid than making a SLOOOOOW car faster, for the cost of buying a more superior car (such as a Camaro; like my dads 40+ year old Camaro Z28...) that will *still* edge that honduh out

 

87cam...lets say you had the choice of either an 02 Trans Am or a 02 Civic, both of which would be given to you for free. You are given equal money to build up each, which would you rather have? Wouldnt you rather start with a bigger engine and a hell of a lot more HP?

 

Agreed, racing from a roll is not a race IMO, most would probably agree. All of these civics crack me up, I see them at the dragsrtip here all the time, even if they do make power they're running crappy times, like mid 12's at 115+

 

Gotcha....I agree.

 

Weird response.... I didn't flame the honda. What I said is the truth. Putting a turbo on a LT1, LS1, etc. will result in more hp than putting one on a Civic.

Jason