SS Camaro VS 04 Mach 1 Video
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Re: SS Camaro VS 04 Mach 1 Video
hahaha the Stang did win..
but that cannot be the whoole truth on what each car had...
can a modded mach 1 beat a ls1, most definitely but on every run but that last one, the mach 1 pulled too hard. Tha wasn't a I edged him out that was a full kill... And not sure mods being what they were said to be the outcome woudl be like that. BUt I do think the mach1 would be able to beat it.
but that cannot be the whoole truth on what each car had...
can a modded mach 1 beat a ls1, most definitely but on every run but that last one, the mach 1 pulled too hard. Tha wasn't a I edged him out that was a full kill... And not sure mods being what they were said to be the outcome woudl be like that. BUt I do think the mach1 would be able to beat it.
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Re: SS Camaro VS 04 Mach 1 Video
Originally Posted by Bob Cosby
But I bet your car impresses you, right? You've obviously been to the track...what did you run?
Read: Doesn't say GM, so it don't impress me (how much faster it is than my car is quite irrelevant).
They impress me too - regardless of who makes them. But stock 11's are old news for those of us that have been around a while and keep up with such things.
Cool.
Isn't it amazing that most folks never lose (on the internet) to cars that are supposed to be their direct competitors? And of course, they have always run "serveral" or "numerous" examples.
So what did your 95Z run? As an FYI, my 98 Cobra went 13.6 @ 104 mph in 100% bone stock trim - including the factory air filter. Ok, I had Mobil 1 oil. Some people consider that a mod.
SS's and WS6's were typically no quicker than their "normal" counterparts. That is especially true of "stripper" Z28s and Formulas. But don't take my word for it - go ask F-body owners who are real drag racers.
Ya. And how many LT4 97 SS's were made? Please look it up for us.
By your interpretation. Ok.
By implication, this means that a regular Z28 and Formula were also quicker? I disagree - at the limit, it was pretty much a driver's race.
All 41 of them made, right? Wow. There were more Cobra R's made in 95. Should we count those too in this discussion? The 96 Firehawk had a whopping 5 HP more than a WS6 (gotta love that catback, I guess).
See comment above about how many were made. But you're right - they were quicker.
Indeed.
"Vortec"? Isn't that GM's designation for some of their engines?
Anyways....
You might want to go read that again. Really.
That's about right for a bone stock 03 Cobra - though MM&FF has gone as quick as 12.4 in a bone stock 03 Cobra. I know that wouldn't even sort of impress you. Damn glad they weren't trying to.
Quick car. So a modified Mach 1 beat a stock Cobra? Imagine that.
That is correct - though it was an 01SS, and they ran a 99 Z28 to a 12.89 a couple of years ealier (in stellar air). Regardles, see 12.4 second 03 Cobra comment above.
Read: Doesn't say GM, so it don't impress me (how much faster it is than my car is quite irrelevant).
They impress me too - regardless of who makes them. But stock 11's are old news for those of us that have been around a while and keep up with such things.
Cool.
Isn't it amazing that most folks never lose (on the internet) to cars that are supposed to be their direct competitors? And of course, they have always run "serveral" or "numerous" examples.
So what did your 95Z run? As an FYI, my 98 Cobra went 13.6 @ 104 mph in 100% bone stock trim - including the factory air filter. Ok, I had Mobil 1 oil. Some people consider that a mod.
SS's and WS6's were typically no quicker than their "normal" counterparts. That is especially true of "stripper" Z28s and Formulas. But don't take my word for it - go ask F-body owners who are real drag racers.
Ya. And how many LT4 97 SS's were made? Please look it up for us.
By your interpretation. Ok.
By implication, this means that a regular Z28 and Formula were also quicker? I disagree - at the limit, it was pretty much a driver's race.
All 41 of them made, right? Wow. There were more Cobra R's made in 95. Should we count those too in this discussion? The 96 Firehawk had a whopping 5 HP more than a WS6 (gotta love that catback, I guess).
See comment above about how many were made. But you're right - they were quicker.
Indeed.
"Vortec"? Isn't that GM's designation for some of their engines?
Anyways....
You might want to go read that again. Really.
That's about right for a bone stock 03 Cobra - though MM&FF has gone as quick as 12.4 in a bone stock 03 Cobra. I know that wouldn't even sort of impress you. Damn glad they weren't trying to.
Quick car. So a modified Mach 1 beat a stock Cobra? Imagine that.
That is correct - though it was an 01SS, and they ran a 99 Z28 to a 12.89 a couple of years ealier (in stellar air). Regardles, see 12.4 second 03 Cobra comment above.
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Re: SS Camaro VS 04 Mach 1 Video
Originally Posted by KamaroL98
I dont know man, magazine times i think for Lt1 Z28s were low 14s to high 13s. What were the cobras running in 1997?
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Re: SS Camaro VS 04 Mach 1 Video
Originally Posted by Black00SS
My mods? I dont have any. I already raced an 03 convertible Cobra, didnt impress me, went with my buddy to the strip last week, seen about 4 03's (hardtops) running 13.0's to 13.3's trapping 105-107, didnt impress me. I am by no means saying that the Cobra's/Mach's are slow, i am saying they dont impress me. What does impress me? Z06's running low 12's, and now someone clicking off a high 11 second pass with an 04 BONE STOCK!!. No power adder, no bitching about the IRS (common among 03 cobra owners). I also never said my 95 Z28 was faster then a 96-97-98 cobra, i simply stated that the numerous 96-97-98 Cobra's that i ran against were not a problem to beat. On a side note the 96-97 z28 had 285 hp, 10 more then mine due to the dual cats, and there was also an SS, WS6, and firehawk in 96-97 too which are faster then the 96-97-98 Cobra's stock for stock. Then if you got a 97 SS with an LT4, well then they were quite a bit faster then a cobra if i remember correctly. So lets compare apples to apples and oranges to oranges.
96 SS is faster then a 96 cobra
96 WS6 is faster then a 96 cobra
96 firehawk is faster then a 96 cobra
same scenario for 97 with one exception
97 LT4 SS is one hell of a lot faster then a 97 Cobra
96 Z28 to 96 GT----wow
97 z28 to 97 GT----wow
Oh by the way, i have an old 5.0 mustangs and fast fords mag here (bought it because i was considering a mustang, drove a 01 cobra, and my 00 SS, and really didnt have to think about it much more). Its the issue where they race the 03 Cobra vs The 03 Mach with the vortec on it. Here we go
03 Cobra specs
319 HP @6400 RPMs rear wheel
309 FT LBS @3800 RPMS rear wheel
1/4 mile :13.09@110.82 0-60 4.9 seconds
The mach ran the 1/4 in 11.96@121.16 0-60 in 3.88 seconds.
I believe the same mag (or one of those mustang mags) Ran an 02SS 12.9 at 109 something. Like i said the 03's dont impress me.
96 SS is faster then a 96 cobra
96 WS6 is faster then a 96 cobra
96 firehawk is faster then a 96 cobra
same scenario for 97 with one exception
97 LT4 SS is one hell of a lot faster then a 97 Cobra
96 Z28 to 96 GT----wow
97 z28 to 97 GT----wow
Oh by the way, i have an old 5.0 mustangs and fast fords mag here (bought it because i was considering a mustang, drove a 01 cobra, and my 00 SS, and really didnt have to think about it much more). Its the issue where they race the 03 Cobra vs The 03 Mach with the vortec on it. Here we go
03 Cobra specs
319 HP @6400 RPMs rear wheel
309 FT LBS @3800 RPMS rear wheel
1/4 mile :13.09@110.82 0-60 4.9 seconds
The mach ran the 1/4 in 11.96@121.16 0-60 in 3.88 seconds.
I believe the same mag (or one of those mustang mags) Ran an 02SS 12.9 at 109 something. Like i said the 03's dont impress me.
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Re: SS Camaro VS 04 Mach 1 Video
Looks like Bob Cosby is kicking some *** in factory stock:
http://www.nmraracing.com/points-records/points/
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Re: SS Camaro VS 04 Mach 1 Video
No i have not been to the track, with my car, obviously i have no times posted yet. I thought that rather then lie about it like a number of people do, i would actually go to the track before i post times.
Dosent impress me because its not gm? No, didnt impress me because it didnt beat me.
Stock 11's is old news for the z06, funny, i thought the 04 in that mag, was one of the first ones to hit the 11's, stock, but maybe i do need to keep up to snuff with things like that. Perhaps next, i will not go to work, leave all of my bills pile up, and do nothing but sit around get up to snuff on what is the fastest times for every car made bone stock.
My 95z, the best time i could get out of it bone stock was a 14.0@98.
13.6@106, nice time for a 98, thats about the same time a Mach 1 runs around here, which are supposed to be faster then the 96-01's, interesting.
96-98 cobra's in this area are running 13.9-14.4's, never seen one faster.
Did i compare anything from 95, no, so therefore the 1995 Cobra R, is not in this discussion.
I read the magazine again, the RWHP, and RWTQ is still the same as i posted last night, dont know what you were getting at there......
Vortec oops i left the H off, wow......
12.4 in an 03 eh? Yep you are right, still dosent impress me. Not when the 99 Z ran a 12.89, 4 tenths of a second slower, and that car was made 4 years ago.
Your knowledge impreses me, really, it does
Dosent impress me because its not gm? No, didnt impress me because it didnt beat me.
Stock 11's is old news for the z06, funny, i thought the 04 in that mag, was one of the first ones to hit the 11's, stock, but maybe i do need to keep up to snuff with things like that. Perhaps next, i will not go to work, leave all of my bills pile up, and do nothing but sit around get up to snuff on what is the fastest times for every car made bone stock.
My 95z, the best time i could get out of it bone stock was a 14.0@98.
13.6@106, nice time for a 98, thats about the same time a Mach 1 runs around here, which are supposed to be faster then the 96-01's, interesting.
96-98 cobra's in this area are running 13.9-14.4's, never seen one faster.
Did i compare anything from 95, no, so therefore the 1995 Cobra R, is not in this discussion.
I read the magazine again, the RWHP, and RWTQ is still the same as i posted last night, dont know what you were getting at there......
Vortec oops i left the H off, wow......
12.4 in an 03 eh? Yep you are right, still dosent impress me. Not when the 99 Z ran a 12.89, 4 tenths of a second slower, and that car was made 4 years ago.
Your knowledge impreses me, really, it does
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Re: SS Camaro VS 04 Mach 1 Video
Still, even though the 03/04 cobras make hp easy off a few simple things liek chip, pullies and exhaust, i dont think it they can be made faster, easier and cheaper then an LS1. 
(Just an attempt to make people stop compareing 100% stock cars since noone who actually goes out and races leaves them stock anyway.)
(Just an attempt to make people stop compareing 100% stock cars since noone who actually goes out and races leaves them stock anyway.)
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Re: SS Camaro VS 04 Mach 1 Video
Originally Posted by Black00SS
No i have not been to the track, with my car, obviously i have no times posted yet. I thought that rather then lie about it like a number of people do, i would actually go to the track before i post times.
Good on you for not lying, though.
Dosent impress me because its not gm? No, didnt impress me because it didnt beat me.
I think not. Why? Says Mustang. Doesn't say GM. End of story. Hey, no big deal to me - but remember that part above about not lying?
Stock 11's is old news for the z06, funny, i thought the 04 in that mag, was one of the first ones to hit the 11's, stock,
but maybe i do need to keep up to snuff with things like that. Perhaps next, i will not go to work, leave all of my bills pile up, and do nothing but sit around get up to snuff on what is the fastest times for every car made bone stock.
My 95z, the best time i could get out of it bone stock was a 14.0@98.
13.6@106, nice time for a 98, thats about the same time a Mach 1 runs around here, which are supposed to be faster then the 96-01's, interesting.
Mach's are quite a bit quicker, given the same conditions. Some have fun very, very low 13s, and even a few are supposed to have gone high 12's in stock trim. Check out www.mach1registry.org if interested. If not, no big deal.
96-98 cobra's in this area are running 13.9-14.4's, never seen one faster.
Did i compare anything from 95, no, so therefore the 1995 Cobra R, is not in this discussion.
BTW...there were 100 1997 LT4 SS's made.
I read the magazine again, the RWHP, and RWTQ is still the same as i posted last night, dont know what you were getting at there......
Vortec oops i left the H off, wow......
12.4 in an 03 eh? Yep you are right, still dosent impress me. Not when the 99 Z ran a 12.89, 4 tenths of a second slower, and that car was made 4 years ago.
Your knowledge impreses me, really, it does
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Re: SS Camaro VS 04 Mach 1 Video
Originally Posted by Black00SS
Dosent impress me because its not gm? No, didnt impress me because it didnt beat me.
Originally Posted by Black00SS
96-98 cobra's in this area are running 13.9-14.4's, never seen one faster.
Originally Posted by Black00SS
I read the magazine again, the RWHP, and RWTQ is still the same as i posted last night, dont know what you were getting at there......
Originally Posted by Black00SS
12.4 in an 03 eh? Yep you are right, still dosent impress me. Not when the 99 Z ran a 12.89, 4 tenths of a second slower, and that car was made 4 years ago.
Originally Posted by Black00SS
Your knowledge impreses me, really, it does
Bob knows more about drag racing and cars in general than you will ever know. Back to 2nd grade little troll.
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Re: SS Camaro VS 04 Mach 1 Video
the camaro ss has actually been faster than the cobra from 1996 to 02 if you go by magazine comparisons.i remember the the ss being faster than a roush stage 3 mustang also.that just goes to show you mustangs arent that great when compared to 5.7 liters of displacement.i should know ive outran a 99+ mustang gt on the street before.it happened to be a woman too.
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Re: SS Camaro VS 04 Mach 1 Video
Originally Posted by Steve Y
You will get spanked sooner or later by a bone stock '03 Cobra. Just because the driver sucks don't blame the car.
I've never seen a stock LS1 run better than 15.5 at 98. Does that mean they don't run faster? Hell no!
I think that was tested on a Mustang dyno which gives results about 60 rwhp less than a dynojet.
And your lack on knowledge and bs slinging doesn't impress me.
You can't even spell "impress" and you are dissing his knowledge. Bob knows more about drag racing and cars in general than you will ever know. Back to 2nd grade little troll.
I've never seen a stock LS1 run better than 15.5 at 98. Does that mean they don't run faster? Hell no!
I think that was tested on a Mustang dyno which gives results about 60 rwhp less than a dynojet.
And your lack on knowledge and bs slinging doesn't impress me.
You can't even spell "impress" and you are dissing his knowledge.
Bob knows more about drag racing and cars in general than you will ever know. Back to 2nd grade little troll.
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Re: SS Camaro VS 04 Mach 1 Video
Originally Posted by lovescamaros25
the camaro ss has actually been faster than the cobra from 1996 to 02 if you go by magazine comparisons.i remember the the ss being faster than a roush stage 3 mustang also.that just goes to show you mustangs arent that great when compared to 5.7 liters of displacement.i should know ive outran a 99+ mustang gt on the street before.it happened to be a woman too.
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Re: SS Camaro VS 04 Mach 1 Video
Originally Posted by lovescamaros25
what a dumbass.if anyone has no knowledge it is you steve y.tell me do you even know what the four strokes of an automotive engine is?first of all if you never seen a ls1 camaro run faster than a 15.5 in the 1/4 mile then obviously you dont go to the digs enough (aka drag track).secondly.lola mustang dyno results arent going to be 60 hp less than a dynojet.say my camaro lt1 is making 255 hp at the rollers on a dynojet if i dynoed my car on a mustang dyno your saying i would lose 60 more hp which would put me at 195 hp .lol.you have no idea what your talking about.the difference would be around 10 to 15 hp between the dynos.
Back to grammar school troll boy. The strokes are intake, compression, power and exhaust. I have been racing once a month for 10 years. I don't see stock LS1s hardly ever. Even modded ones are rare around here. The dynos are a lot different than 10-15 horsepower. God why do I waste time argueing with 13 year old pimple faced retarded trolls? 
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Re: SS Camaro VS 04 Mach 1 Video
i think im pretty accurate with the dyno differences.i know im alot closer than you 60 hp difference lol.took you long enough to reply.what did you do find the sour strokes on the net somewhere.as far as calling people dumbasses you couldnt hold a candle to the amount of auto knowledge that i have.do you know why they call the four stroke engine the otto cycle?typically m6 lt1s dyno around 250 to 260 rear wheel hp on a dynojet and about 10 to 15 less on a mustang dyno.autos usually dyno about 10 hp less than a m6 due to the gearing and hp loss through the tranny on a standard.