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Old Sep 22, 2008 | 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by darrens99formul

Sometimes it's too easy. Way too many kids at my track with 15-18 second cars. But at least they are racing at the track so I gotta give them props for that. But it does get a little boring winning 99.99% of the time. I've only had two losses this season. One was to a friend with a similairly modded 98 Formula and the other was to a very fast Corvette.

Darren,
Do you not have any 5 & 6 second cars running at your local track?
Must be nice to run mostly street cars at the track. I wished that was my case. Hell, I get lined up against a damn railcar running 4.90s in the 1/8th...lol
Sucks because you cant even hear your own rpms to launch. When I go to my local track I might run 1 street car for every 5 trailer queens
Old Sep 22, 2008 | 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Mikie
Darren,
Do you not have any 5 & 6 second cars running at your local track?
Must be nice to run mostly street cars at the track. I wished that was my case. Hell, I get lined up against a damn railcar running 4.90s in the 1/8th...lol
Sucks because you cant even hear your own rpms to launch. When I go to my local track I might run 1 street car for every 5 trailer queens
There are plenty of 6-10 second cars. But they don't run in the street car lanes. They have all the lanes numbered. 1 is for bikes and sleds. 2 & 3 is for street tire brand X. That is where I run since I have a street car on DOT drag radials (no slicks allowed in lanes 2 or 3). Then 4 and 5 are for Imports, 6 and 7 are bracket racing or MOM's when applicable. 8 is where they usually tech you in. 9-10 are the big boy trailer queens. 11 and 12 I forget what they are but they are very fast cars also.

Eventually I plan to to get to low 10's (heads and spray in the not too distant future). Then I'll migrate over to lanes 9 - 12 where I'm sure I'll lose lots of races. But it'll be more fun I think

But for now I am still running street tire/brand X. In this class I would say 50% are 14's or slower, 25% are 13's, 20% are 12's and maybe 5% hit 11's. I rarely see a roll bar in these lanes. I used to get a lot better/closer races when I was running 12.4-12.5's

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Old Sep 22, 2008 | 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted by darrens99formul
So you consider 5.7L 346 ci V8 motors small. Well they are "small block motors" But I wonder what motors you consider big?



Ahh so the 2.4L 4 cyl motors are big. Gotcha



I saw a 70's boxter station wagon run 9's once. Ever see the wooly mammath on pinks? You can make anything fast with enough time and money. But I still wouldn't want to be seen driving a car that looks like a PT Cruiser or a Neon
Actually I drive a 462 70 Buick GSX for fun. The other fun car is an 87 GN and if you do not consider it a muscle car your nuts. Heck the guys I hang out with consider my 462 small


The PT cruiser drove to the track, changed wheels, beat up a lot of us, changed wheels and drove home. Guy had his act together. Sleepers are cool.

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Old Sep 23, 2008 | 05:47 AM
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Originally Posted by sailbrd
Actually I drive a 462 70 Buick GSX for fun. The other fun car is an 87 GN and if you do not consider it a muscle car your nuts. Heck the guys I hang out with consider my 462 small
A 462 70 Buick GSX is definately a muscle car in my book. 87 Grand national I'm kind of on the fence with. Looks too much like my old 79 Monte Carlo and that was NO muscle car even with a V8

Originally Posted by sailbrd
The PT cruiser drove to the track, changed wheels, beat up a lot of us, changed wheels and drove home. Guy had his act together. Sleepers are cool.
I drive to the track, lower my tire preasure, run quicker then this particular PT Cruiser, bring tire preasure back up and drive home. American muscle street cars are cool as well

Some people like sleepers and that's fine. Whatever floats your boat. I prefer sporty, flashy, mean looking, ect. That's why I have always been attracted to muscle cars, sports cars and exotics like the Lamborghini
Old Sep 23, 2008 | 05:53 PM
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Antz,
Are the firehawks 305 or 315 hp at the crank?
That would make sence as to why they are in upwards of the 270 rw mark. Not sure though?

Also, from my referrence...it is to take 0.85 x FWHP and this gives you RWHP.
Believe there 315 sir...though i doubt the ram air effect ahs anything to do w/ it, probably just a strong LT1
Old Sep 23, 2008 | 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Antz97ZNJ
Believe there 315 sir...though i doubt the ram air effect ahs anything to do w/ it, probably just a strong LT1

Yeah, I have heard that the ram air has hardly any effect and some debate the name "ram" air.

I would agree on LT1s dynoing around 230 - 240s
220 hp is really a Friday car
Old Sep 24, 2008 | 10:45 AM
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I didn't think anybody would hold me to the 220 estimate. I simply guessed that based on their flywheel claim and typical losses. The first LT1 ads all made a big deal about 275 horsepower which is understandably not usually equated with 250whp. As the LT1's power went up it's more reasonable to expect more at the wheels.

I wish my truck made 300whp with 345 at the crank. Reports show its drivetrain sucks it down to around 280whp. It'll eventually get some love with a more aggressive converter. I might as well get some use out of the LSD and 305 width tires.
Old Sep 25, 2008 | 07:29 AM
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Well I got my third loss of this season last night

They were running a street car shootout. All cars with legal plates and registration were eligable to compete. They seperated us into five classes:

AA = 10.49 or faster
A = 10.50 - 11.49
B = 11.50 - 12.49 (my class obviously)
C = 12.50 - 13.49
D = 13.50 and slower

There were 40+ cars in the D class, 40 + cars in the C class, 8 cars in the B class (including me), less then 15 in the A class and less then 15 in the AA class.

My first round race was against a classic hot rod. It kind of looked like the ZZtop car from the sharped dressed man video. I seen him run a 11.7 in a bracket race. I knew I had to be on my game at the pro tree because I was running 11.8 @ 115 all night dead hooking with 1.61 60's.

I do a burnout, line up, stall to 2500 rpm's and wait. First sign of yellow I let her rip and I tree him! Then my heart sinks as I feel my car spinning off the line He pulls half a car on me and by the eighth I'm at his front fender. I very slowly reel him in but at the quarter he was a fender out front. The final numbers for me were 1.79 60' and 12.00 @ 115 to his 1.64 60' and 11.89 @ 114.

All night I was dead hooking but the one pass that really mattered is when the track stops gripping. DOH!

But it was fun. And the fact that only 8 cars were in my class shows why I win so many damn races on normal test n tune. All the fast cars run a different class then me and most of what's left is 12.5 or above

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Old Sep 25, 2008 | 12:18 PM
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Still great numbers and sounded like fun D.
Old Sep 26, 2008 | 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Mikie
Yeah, I have heard that the ram air has hardly any effect and some debate the name "ram" air.

I would agree on LT1s dynoing around 230 - 240s
220 hp is really a Friday car
Yea unlike the LS1's the ram air did seem to help the Lt1 models...Not so much on the rollers but more at the strip...Its wasnt unheard of to see a 6spd Lt1 ss turning 13.6's stock w/ the right driver.
Old Sep 29, 2008 | 04:01 PM
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I know a guy in MT Airy with a Neon SRT4 that dynoed 320 at the wheels.
I have seen that guy kill tons of LT1s and LS1s from a stop or a roll. They(SRTs) can be pretty fast though I can't launch one to save my life.
Good kill! Though he should have clobbered you
Old Oct 8, 2008 | 08:44 AM
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good kill. i dont think it was the stop. your just to fast for him. he should stick to his own kind. he'll look faster. all we see is a neon.!!!
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No offense but a 4 cyl vehicle will NEVER be American Muscle, I don't care if it's putting down 1000 hp. It's a NEON, plain and simple.

You don't associate the words "Neon" and American Muscle in the same sentence
Originally Posted by Jazsun
American Muscle, implies V8. If you try to say otherwise you need to got watch some DVD's of old school muscle cars.
Ahh, the narrow minded off-based reality that is the Kill Forum.

Originally Posted by Demon's Camaro
The term Muscle car is thrown around like epic is on these boards. In this day and age it is used to classify stout vehicles that are fairly quick and domestic.


Originally Posted by Antz97ZNJ
Yea unlike the LS1's the ram air did seem to help the Lt1 models...Not so much on the rollers but more at the strip...Its wasnt unheard of to see a 6spd Lt1 ss turning 13.6's stock w/ the right driver.
Seemed to help my car in a rather indirect manner. I was trapping roughly 3 mph more than a friends similarly equipped non ram air car. Hell we even dynoed the same as well as pulled 60's really close to each others.
Old Oct 8, 2008 | 10:12 AM
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even wikipedia deems muscle cars as having V8's... not so much for the 4cyl variety
Not that wiki is the tell all of the automotive world but still it seems to be common practice to think this way

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muscle_car

Sorry but an SRT4 is more of an american tuner car along with the cobalt SS
Old Oct 8, 2008 | 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Pyrodawg
even wikipedia deems muscle cars as having V8's... not so much for the 4cyl variety
Not that wiki is the tell all of the automotive world but still it seems to be common practice to think this way

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muscle_car

Sorry but an SRT4 is more of an american tuner car along with the cobalt SS
Agreed! But the STR4 is more then just an american tuner car. It's a skittle.

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Old Oct 8, 2008 | 04:21 PM
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I cant believe anyone would actually believe an SRT-4 NEONNNNNN is a muscle car. I thought this was a car forum...WTF? Look at how stupid that sounds.



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