Now thats not to say I think LS1's are slow ... Im just saying ... Anything is possible. Especially on the street.

And maybe the guys LS1 wasnt running right? You would be amazed at the number of people who have these cars and neglect them... its sickening.

 

I have a question for you that would explain it.

Did your alarm clock go off at the end of the race and wake you up for work!

No I just kidding! there are alot of people who can't drive a stick shift so I suppose it possible!

We almost never see stick shift American cars at the drag strip in the UK we all use Auto's

 

A few points here. First off, beating any given car is never out of the question. There are three main reasons why one car beats another car in a drag race.

1). The car that wins was just faster. low 12 second car beats low 13 second car or whatever.

2). The driver of the losing car botches the launch/shifts and loses due to driver error.

3). The car that loses had mechanical failure.

So it's of course possible for a 10 second car to lose to a 15 second car when 2, 3 or both take place. But this kill wasn't reported like that. He claims that he botched the launch (badly I might add) and said nothing about the LS1's launch or shifting (leaving us to assume it was decent). Yet he still pulled on the car with more power

And my final point is this. I owned a stick shift for three years and it only took me about a week to get good at shifting. M6 guys like to poke fun at autos with all thier little comments about "stab and steer" and "I like to actually driving my car". That's all well and fine but as a former stick driver I can say with 100% certainty that pushing a clutch and shifting a car is NOT rocket science. Anyone with half a brain and a little practice can get good at it. That's not to say everyone will become an expert power shifter or become comparable to the famous Evan Smith. But anyone with a functioning right arm and left leg can get good enough to drive thier car to most of it's potential (for example a 12.8 second car could have most drivers at least pulling very low 13's).

 

This is true ... He did botch the launch good ... I was just saying though, anything is possible on the street but when you think about it that way, it doesn't look good lol. Maybe the LS1 was running slow/rough or something ...

 

I have had one encounter with an ls1 car. A 98 TA m6 with what the owner said was piston slap raced my brothers 92 305 tbi with full bolt ons, cam and gears. The 98 was fully equpied and had a 250 pound passanger + a 165 pound driver and the 92 had just a 140 pound driver and the race wieght of the 92 is 3350 and the 92 edged out the 98 in a dig to problibly 85mph. Then later that night me in my stock 95 formula m6 raced the 92 from a 50mph roll and I started to slowly pull away. So that particular ls1 car that had some extra wieght and pistion slap did lose to car it prolibly would have killed if it didn't have piston slap. Piston slap sounds like a pretty big problem but the driver claimed it was normal for ls1s.

BTW the owner of the 98 didn't have the car very long but did look like he could launch it decently.

 

1). Piston slap is considered "normal" although not all LS1's have it (mine does'nt).

2). Piston slap only occurs during a cold start up and after a few minites (when the engine gets to a normal operating temp) it goes away and the car sounds and perfoms perfectly normal.

3). Piston slap does not make one LS1 slower then another.

4). Piston slap is NOT a big problem but many consider it annoying.

5). If all 3 of you raced from a 50 MPH roll that LS1 (properly driven) would have walked away from both of you.

 

I know most ls1s would beat my 95 and my brothers 92 but this ls1 didn't. If piston slap is as normal as you say it is then something else must have been wrong because he was a lot slower then most the ls1s out here. I think the driver said he heard it "piston slaping" all the time but I don't remember exactly.

 

you all take such damn offense cause i say my lightly modded LT beat an LS and just so u all no and LS6 doesnt compare to an LS7 the engine has a totally dif. set up and only makes 360 horse second im not just saying my car was faster then his im saying.....my car + me is faster then his car + him i dont tihnk the kid knew how to drive but the point is i steal beat him in a race so....you cant come up to someone after a race and say "ur cars slower then mine i just cant drive"

 

It wouldnt have walked away it would have ran away. Wouldnt have been a race. I love these BS stories.

Please keep them coming. I am having a bunch of friends over and this crap will entertain then for hours.

 

I KNOW THAT a properly runing properly driven stock ls1 would hand me and my brothers asses to us, but this one didn't. Why is that so ****ing hard to belive.

 

Its kind of funny that ls1 owners can't belive that an ls1 that was clearly not running right got edged out by a car only .5-.7 slower, in a race that lasted less than a 1/4 mile.

Ya know ls1 cars do lose every now and then dont ya.

 

He could have problems inside his motor or his AFR could be off enough to hurt his performance. But if he's too stupid to get his car looked at then I'll have no sympathy for him if and when his motor goes south.

 

I honestly can not understand the reasoning everyone has about lightly modded LT1's.. especially geared/stalled/built tranny LT1's beating stock/near stock LS1's.. Give it a rest, yes the LS1 can lose, and ive seen LS1's trap 101, 102.. they dont all trap 105ish either. I like the LSx family, but the LT1 was the last of the 350's and has just as much potential as an LSx, the LSx just has a better starting ground due to the 15* heads, rockers, etc. And to the guy who said his stock ls1 pulled away on a cammed LT1 with some other stuff.. thats real

 

Too general of a statement. What if a A4 LT1 with a CAI, stall and 3.73 gears raced a 2001/2002 M6 LS1 with lid from a dig to say 120 mph? I would still expect the LS1 to win all day long. But on the other side of the fence what if you had a M6 LT1 with every single bolt-on go against a stock 98 A4 LS1? I would expect the LT1 to win all day long.

Specifics Bob. Lets get specific.

And I've seen LT1's trap 97. It's all about the year, transmission and location as to what these cars will trap. You want to point out the worst possible scenario then what about the best? I believe 108 is the best trap from a stock M6 01/02 LS1. But 103-106 is definately more the "norm".

Better starting ground, better heads, easier to work on, ect. The worlds fastest LS1 is in the high 6's. The worlds fastest LT1 is very low 8's. Not that I'm bragging since I don't own either car

I'm on the fence with this one. If it's any kind of a decent cam with a decent tune then I agree with you that it's BS. If it's somethimg pathetic like a hotcam then I can see this being possible if the LS1 has some basic bolt-ons.