I would also take the GTO over the GT, especially after hearing about the rather poor quality of the GT interior. If going fast were all I cared about, then I would choose neither car. However, at roughly the same price, $25-$30K, I can't think of a single reason besides styling to pick the GT over an 05-06 GTO.

 

Kris93/95Z28 ~ Better bang for your buck:

Older Z06 Vette
LS1 Vette
SRT4
03/04 Cobra
LS1 F-Body

As stated, the new GT's are comparable, and quite a bit cheaper.

And, while the GTO's interior is really high quality, which I can first hand vouch for, it is not for me. It just doesnt look like it should be fast. It doesnt have that "****-pit" feel that the 93-02 F-Body does. This is a personal preference.

But at any rate, if I was to buy another car, I would look at those before a GTO. Not in that particular order, but ...

 

the point that most of you guys are missing, GTO is not a rough-riding, plastic interior, loud, badass muscle car. GTO is for older people with money that do not want a powerful cage but want comfort/speed and class.
Ive been to eastern EU last summer and I saw a GTO in a car dealer next to an m3 and an s4. Thats the type of a car GTO was meant to be. Thats why the interior is designed to be "classy" , looking like a TT/s4 kind of an interior.

So comparing a GTO to a neon srt-4 does not make any sense. It would make lot more sense to put cobalt ss in srt 4 comparison, and charger daytona RT in GTOs comparison list.

 

Well my Dad can beat up your Dad!

 

Hardcore, none of those cars are new cars. You can't compare a used car to a new one in a bang for the buck argument. The Srt4 is the only one still being made (it is, right?) and it doesn't compare at all. Low 20's gets you a 14 sec. neon. For $26,800 you can get a GTO that's as much as a second faster and RWD.

SSR, the only thing I want to comment on in your tirades is the fact that think there's no ability to beef up the drivetrain with the GTO!? Wtf are you talking about?? Every part of the drivetrain from the tranny to the axle stubs is upgradable if necessary, although I've heard of more fbodies destroying their 10 bolt than I've heard of problems in the GTO.

 

Personal preference is personal preference, but your facts are wrong. They don't run the same times stock. C&D did a head to head between the two, and even though they picked the stang cause it had a much higher "gotta have it factor" cause it was brand new at the time, the GTO killed it in every performance catagory. It was a half second faster, handled better, top end, etc. I've killed 2 GT's in my LS1.

 

yellavette, they dont make the srt4 neons anymore, actually they stopped making neons. The crappiest Dodge model spot is replaced by caliber , I think.
I heard that they will produce a 310 hp srt4 in the next couple of years but it will be called srt 4, not srt4 neon. But its just a rumor.

 

Everybody's "facts are wrong" othre than yours?
You bought your car used therefore he can absolutely make that argument especially with you!

 

WHEN DID YOU EVER MENTION AN LS7?

So now the statement, "It needs a 427" automatically implies a LS7 is what you're talking about? Wow. I guess I learned something today.

"Overlook the flaws?" Dude, you drive a decade old F-Body... Would you like to talk about its flaws that us 4th gen F-Body owners have over looked for almost 15 years?

Also, You keep coming back to it how the GTO doesn't posess the qualities that you think it should have. What your expecting can't be delivered at any price point near what its at now. What is the lowest priced car with 500 + horsepower? A Shelby Mustang? I guess those are only $15,000 more than the GTO. A LS7 GTO? What would you sell it for? Would this GTO have the Z06's performance, and still cost $40,000 less

Let's talk about your car a bit more. A 3700 lb car needs 505 horsepower to be impressive, yet a 3400 lb car with 305 horsepower is enough to get you to open your wallet? Do you understand division enough to compute power to weight ratio? Even a LS1 GTO has a better power to weight ratio than your LT1 did when you bought it.

This isn't getting anywhere. All I have ever asked is that you us real data to base statements on. Compare it to real factors, i.e. "A new M3 offers this...", etc.

Whether or not the GTO (sans LS7) impresses you really is mute point. You can't afford one, and if you could you'd atleast own a LS1 F-Body by now

 

Now I wouldnt go that far lol ... I could afford a LS1 F-Body but choose to stick with my car. I think my LT1 car is, honestly, one of the best looking cars on the road. Thats why I bought a wrecked LT1 F-Body to fix and drive and not a wrecked LS1 ... If you look at smashed up totaled cars, the two are priced nearly identical ...

 

Uh... I have absolutely no idea what you are trying to imply here therefore I cannot rightly respond. Last I checked the Gen III SBC 427 was a LS7? And the last time I checked the subject was understood this was about the latest abomination GM created to call a GTO?
What would be the point? The 4th gen f-body was significantly cheaper than the garbage barge. Of course my SS was more expensive, but I got a few nice goodies out of it. It'd be interesting to see what the GTO would go for if SLP ever got their dirty hands on it.
As I've stated over and over and over and over again. I could care less.. My car has power windows, heat, A/C and a nice stereo. THAT'S ENOUGH FOR ME! If I want more creature comforts I'll drive the family car. How many times do you need to be told this before it finally sinks in?
I could care less what a LS7 GTO would be priced at. Never said I'd buy one. Just said I'd be impressed w/ GM if they ever grew a sack and dared to be different. And no the GTO would not have Z06 performance. Why? BECAUSE IT'S A GARBAGE BARGE!
Let's see... back 10 to 13 years ago what else was available with 275-285hp that was in the low 20's? What else was available 10 years ago with 305hp for around 30K? Let's think for a minute.... that's right.... NOTHING!
Better power to weight ratio... so a LS2 garbage barge with almost 100 more hp than my LT1 runs a couple tenths faster. I wonder which one uses their power more efficiently in straight line? Doesn't take a genius to figure that one out.
Okay... the LT1 SS offers 13.6 or faster et's factory stock. The LS1 SS offers low 13's to high 12's factory stock. The LS1 garbage barge offers mid to high 13's factory stock. The LS2 garbage barge offers low 13's to high 12's factory stock.
All figures represented are from those owners who can actually drive worth a damn. Are you happy now?
As I've stated... over and over again... like a broken record... I don't care when it comes to stock/stock/mod/mod/price crap. Only crybabies complain about money to mods. If you can't afford to run your car then you shouldn't be running off at the keyboard making all kinds of stock/stock/mod/mod ricer excuses. All what I've stated has been very simple. It is you who and others coming up with these retarded complex arguments trying to convince me to respect something I don't like. You like it? You want one? Good for you. I don't like it. Don't want one. Want to beat them in races. Good for me. It's just elementary, my dear Watson.
oh neat... If I could shell out almost 30K 10 years ago for my junker what makes you think I couldn't afford a garbage barge now?

P.S.
18436572 f0 lyfe!

 

Calling a car stupid names is an awesome way to get your point across. I'll try it some in this post!

YOU ARE WRONG. The LS1 SS and WS6 cars were just as expensive in 2002 as the GTO is in 2006. Actually, once you start talking about a fully optioned Ram Air convertible the number goes well above the GTO's price which caps around $34,000.

Once again, you're holding the GTO to a standard that your not holding your car to. Did GM dare to be different with the 4th gen?!? The Crapmaro was pretty much the same stinking pile of **** from 1982 to 2002. Wow! Notice how A LOT of parts will bolt right in a 3rd gen from a 4th? Ever heard the phrase about putting lipstick of a pig? In this case the motor was the lipstick.

Let's See. It's 2006, what is available now with 400 horsepower, costs less than the GTO? Let's think for a minute.... that's right.... NOTHING! Don't forget this little economic "thing" called inflation when comparing prices of a new car from 1996 to 2006...

Here is a fun game (This only goes to 2005, so we can't get the actuals):
Go here:
http://www.westegg.com/inflation/
Type in the cost of your car in 1996, and see what it would cost in 2005 dollars. I did it for $25,000 in 1996.
Oh no... That LT1 Crapmaro doesn't seem like such a great deal when you compare apples to apples does it?

The fastest stock F-Body LT1 times are atleast .7 off the fastest LS2 GTO times I have personally seen or heard of. I guess if losing by the better part of a second isn't a lot, then I had the wrong impression of what an *** whipping was made of.

I never asked you to like one. I never asked you to buy one. I asked you to base your tirades on some real facts, not "I think" so therefore "It is."

I guess I will drive the garbage barge to the gym. You have fun today in your Crapmaro. Do try to take the T-Tops off so your mullet can get some wind as you drive your Crapmaro.

You were so right, Name calling adds so much to the conversation, and relly helps drive your point home

 

Thanks Kris, you saved me a whole bunch of typing!

Alll right SS RRR, I'll end here for you. Hell, I'll agree with you. here it comes......THE GTO DOES NOT MAKE AS EFFICIENT USE OF ITS 400 HORSEPOWER AS A 4TH-GEN CAMARO DOES WITH IT'S 275 LT1-305 LS-1(way underrated) HORSEPOWER.

It's just too bad that nobody but you seems to care. I'll take an inefficient GTO anyday over my rattletrap '95.

 

Holy hell.... It's unbelievable how you can fabricate your own retarded arguments in some desperate attempt. This is like trying to make a 2nd grader understand.
I AM NOT WRONG. Where did I ever specify I was only talking about SLP cars? Please re-read. Perhaps you'll get it?
LMAO pretty hypocritical considering you owned one and I'm sure are/were happy with it of the time you had it. As I said before. I could care less what you say about the 4th gen. It suits me fine for what it is.
That's fantastic. But you still don't get my point. You specifically asked me why I bought my car and I told you why. Why is this so difficult for you to understand? It's almost laughable how you are reading like a grade schooler.
You want to spend 30K on a garbage barge that doesn't make full use of its power and justify why it doesn't... that's absolutely okay. But you are not in the right forum to do so! LOL
Interesting... This is exactly why I stay away from such retarded arguments like this. I could really care less what you paid for your garbage barge. I've said that all along. These arguments are retarded. Sucks that your f-body was so expensive. Mine window stickered at $23,200. So if I didn't take it to SLP I'm sure I could've picked it up for less than that window stickered price. But really. WHO GIVES A RATS ***! It's like yellavette... so after you get your *** cracked by a LT1 f-body and after you pick your jaw up off the ground, are you going to whine about how your car was such a swell deal?
AAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHHAHHHHHAAHHAAHHAHAAA!! !
So these SS's I've told you about going low 13's along the eastern seaboard that means the GTO is in the mid to low 12's. WOW!!!! LMAO!
I guess what you see or hear should be considered the written word.
In other words, "You can't have an opinion! You MUST like it because I have one! Sieg Heil!"
LAME! How long is it going to take to convince you that no matter how you try to twist your arguments it will not sway my opinion that the new garbage barge is nothing but a boring TURD!
My crapmaro is a hard top. You go have a great work out. Remember to keep a full range of motion when lifting so when you bulk up you can still wipe your own ***.
Awww don't be mad. Just get in your garbage barge and all your troubles will go away... that's until you get destroyed by a LT1 f-body at some point in time.
AAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Maybe you just don't know how to work on your own car? And you were tired of getting beat by newer mustangs and every LS1 ever created? So you decided to splurge on the garbage barge and now all is right with your world? Sounds about right.

 

Er... if you or no one else cares then why was this even brought up?
Seems as though this was brought up to because no one has anything else to use to counter my argument. It's my mistake for even indulging. Especially when I said from the very beginning I could care less about price/stock/stock/mod/mod arguments. Let the ricers make those excuses. You bought what you bought therefore you must deal with it when a 10y/o or more f-body cracks your ***.
And that's absolutely fine! I'M HAPPY FOR YOU! GOOD SHOW ON THE PURCHASE OF YOUR GARBAGE BARGE!
If you are attempting to insinuate my car rattles it doesn't. I ordered it in hard top with that very thought in mind.
Soooo... what else is on all y'all's minds to try and convince me the GTO is the most wonderful garbage barge on the face of the earth?

BTW... this thread should be locked since NONE of you can stay on topic. This is a TRACK KILLS FORUM. Not a, "THE GARBAGE BARGE IS NEAT AND COST EFFICIENT AND NOT BORING AND IF YOU HURT MY FEELINGS I WILL CONJURE ALL KINDS OF ARGUMENTS THAT HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE SUBJECT AT HAND AND THEN I'LL SPEW ON HOW THIS AGAIN IS THE MOST LOVELY AUTOMOBILE EVER CREATED SINCE GOD FARTED IN ITS GENERAL DIRECTION WHEN GM DECIDED TO CREATE IT. IF YOU TELL ME THE GARBAGE BARGE IS BORING I WILL THEN WHINE HOW IT IS SUCH A NEAT CAR TO DRIVE... ON THE STREET... IN A TRACK KILLS FORUM!

You all fail.