Antz never called you a fanboy. At least not in this thread. I was the one to use that term but it wasn't directed at anyone in this specific thread. It was directed at the guys who always jump in when someone asks "what do stock LT1's run at the track" and respond with 13.5-13.6. Not that it's never happened but it's as rare as a ls1 making a stock 12.8-12.9 pass. And that's pretty rare.

If someone asks me what LT1's and LS1's run stock I like to use the average real world numbers. Mid 13's for the LS1 (13.4-13.7) and low 14's for the LT1 (14.0-14.3). I use these numbers because 85% of the time that's what I see them run. Because most of us are not racing at sea level, 2000+ above sea level or in weather that creates extremly good or bad DA's. Plus most people are not the best at launching on street tires. A 2.1-2.2 60' is far more common then a 1.9-2.0 is.

That's true. But your username automatically makes you a LSx hater

 

Lets not get ahead of ourselves now, launching a auto isnt rocket science...ofcourse I dont/didnt just stab and point dope, but in essence thats what your doing. Its not like rowing through gears making sure your at the right rpm at each shift.. My 97 wasnt "broken", the posi worked when it wanted to...I had plently of passes and runs w/ the 99 on the street when it worked just fine...and some when it didnt. Im not lumping anything and have owned both engines and the LT1 cant hang .

 

True, but I still know what it's capable of.

 

Then you should know 01 & 02 A4 LS1's are capable of up to 106 trap speeds in stock trim. Although the norm is more like 104. 98-00 models are usually 101-103.

99 is getting a bit too low. It happens but only in really bad DA, a blown run (excessive spinning off the line) or in a car not running well (needs a tune or tuneup).

On a side note, I did get a kick out of your username. Everytime I saw a LT1 at the track this year I would say to my buddy John,

"LTWHAT"

We both used to have LT1's so it's all in good fun

 

Why is it you always speak as if you are the only one who has "been there, done that..."? You might actually catch a little respect if you stepped down off your high horse. Do you really think you're the only one who has owned both? I've had just as many LS powered vehicles as I have LT. My last car being a '99 30th Anniversary TA, it just happened to be the slower one.

But, not once did I say that the LS motor isn't a superior design. What I said was that it isn't correct to lump all LT powered vehicles into the same "slow" category because yours couldn't "hang". And if your car wasn't broken, then why even make the posi statement at all? It's counter-productive to your own arguement...

 

Nobody in thier right mind would get rid of a 1999 Anniversary Trans Am And if it was slower then your 1997 it's only because you didn't mod it

 

I'd trade it for an 89.

 

That's because you prefer slow cars

I would never be able to sell this car:



But if someone twisted my arm hard enough I might trade it for this one:

 

You just stated the reason for getting rid of it right there. It was more valuable with low miles and no mods. To me, that defeats the point of owning a car so I thought it best to sell it to someone that wouldn't mod it or drive it into the ground.

Besides that, it had the Daytona 500 package on it as well so it was 'gawdy'.

 

I don't look at a vehicle and see monetary value. Most cars are bad investments in that sense. New cars lose thousands of dollars in value the moment they are titled and driven off the lot.

I look at a nice car and see a thing of beauty that I want to keep and enjoy.

I've always believed cars are meant to be driven and fast cars are meant to be driven hard. Have fun and enjoy them.

I agree 100%. The Daytona package is way over the top. I like the regular ones better. But that does pose an intersting question. You didn't like the cars looks, You didn't keep it long enough to become a "classic" giving it monetary value and it has an LS1 which you seem to have no love loss for.

So what made you buy the car in the first place?

 

I agree whole heartedly about cars needing to be driven. I originally bought the car for the wife so she could enjoy the car show scene with me. But then the kids came along and the car ended up sitting more than anything else. Every now and then I would take it to the shows or the track but it seldom got used so I thought it best to sell it. I have no problem with LSx cars at all, in fact my daily driver has a 5.3L in it (GMC Envoy) and I love it. I just get peeved when people talk about the LT1 like it's a Yugo or something. Truth is, the LT1 is an engine that has great potential, just like the LSx, but with much less market support.

 

Gotcha. Kids do tend to change everything. My wife has always wanted a early 70's black charger. One day I'll surprise her with one.

 

Not quite. This 89.

 

I knew this was coming. I had a feeling you didn't use the specific 89 year by coincidence. But that still isn't a trade up.

The 89 TTA ran a mid 13 second quarter mile in the low 100's for trap speed. That's on par with auto LS1's but the 30th Trans Am with a M6 would have been faster. They both had about 1500 models made so rarety is even. And the 30th TTA seems to be selling for about $5K less then the 30th anniversary TA.

Plus the 30th Trans Am (non pace car edition) looks way cooler

 

Ok? This may justify you thinking the 30th is better.

Here's mine:
I like the look of the 89 MORE. Believe it or not.
I like the dash of the 89 more too. The 4 circular pods are airplanish.
89 handles WAY better.
Turbo 3.8 motor will take to mods better than almost any other motor made, including the ls1.
I could care less about resale. It means as much to be as a bowel movement.
And that only means I pay less to get one.
As much fun as an M6 would be in the long run an a4 is faster.
And the ls1 sounds like a v6 and the turbo v6 sounds almost as good as a v8 plus you get the turbo whistle.

LSWHO? <--- corny Ha ha