can i beat a mark8?
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The statement about the Mark VIII being a "muscle car" is just wrong. It is a sport luxury car. Any car can be made fast. Give me enough money and I can make a UPS truck run 10s. However, that is not what it was designed for and neither the Mark VIII. I see that some Mark VIII owners are out to prove that their cars are fast to other real muscle car owners. Chill out.
BTW, my other car is a STOCK 97 Mark VIII LSC. They are nice cars no doubt but are not muscle cars. I got mine because I wanted a American rear wheel drive sporty looking V8. Not much to choose from out there.
BTW, my other car is a STOCK 97 Mark VIII LSC. They are nice cars no doubt but are not muscle cars. I got mine because I wanted a American rear wheel drive sporty looking V8. Not much to choose from out there.
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Originally posted by ericcer
The statement about the Mark VIII being a "muscle car" is just wrong. It is a sport luxury car. Any car can be made fast. Give me enough money and I can make a UPS truck run 10s. However, that is not what it was designed for and neither the Mark VIII. I see that some Mark VIII owners are out to prove that their cars are fast to other real muscle car owners. Chill out.
BTW, my other car is a STOCK 97 Mark VIII LSC. They are nice cars no doubt but are not muscle cars. I got mine because I wanted a American rear wheel drive sporty looking V8. Not much to choose from out there.
The statement about the Mark VIII being a "muscle car" is just wrong. It is a sport luxury car. Any car can be made fast. Give me enough money and I can make a UPS truck run 10s. However, that is not what it was designed for and neither the Mark VIII. I see that some Mark VIII owners are out to prove that their cars are fast to other real muscle car owners. Chill out.
BTW, my other car is a STOCK 97 Mark VIII LSC. They are nice cars no doubt but are not muscle cars. I got mine because I wanted a American rear wheel drive sporty looking V8. Not much to choose from out there.
As to "designed for"... Read this: http://www.markviii.org/LOD2/bonneville.htm
Last edited by Mark 8; Oct 23, 2003 at 03:05 PM.
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You know what, your a freaking idiot. WHo cars
about Fbods, clearly you as you are here. Where
do you come up with 90% being "plain Janes".
If that and as you say the millions sold were true
they would still be making them, you do know
they stopped right, clearly you know little to
nothing about them. Dude an SS is a Z28 with
a basicly just an appearance package so how doesn't
it count. Cobras don't count either even though they
are built totally by Ford and sold and warrantied by
them. You're a biased fool. plain and simple.
Differences like cams, intakes and so on are nothing?
No they have no impact on performance.
Keep telling yourself how fast your car is and I'll
keep smoking them, well maybe not since 99.999%
of people who want to race won't be driving them.
Now your car is a "performer" cause it only comes in
V8. Maybe all those "lincoln" engineers where too
busy building all of Fords other engines to make a V6.
Where's your manual transmission option since your
car is such a muscle machine with its wood grain and
navigation.
I tried to be cool and explain how our cars are
different in capabilities but you just don't want to
hear it.
about Fbods, clearly you as you are here. Where
do you come up with 90% being "plain Janes".
If that and as you say the millions sold were true
they would still be making them, you do know
they stopped right, clearly you know little to
nothing about them. Dude an SS is a Z28 with
a basicly just an appearance package so how doesn't
it count. Cobras don't count either even though they
are built totally by Ford and sold and warrantied by
them. You're a biased fool. plain and simple.
Differences like cams, intakes and so on are nothing?
No they have no impact on performance.
Keep telling yourself how fast your car is and I'll
keep smoking them, well maybe not since 99.999%
of people who want to race won't be driving them.
Now your car is a "performer" cause it only comes in
V8. Maybe all those "lincoln" engineers where too
busy building all of Fords other engines to make a V6.
Where's your manual transmission option since your
car is such a muscle machine with its wood grain and
navigation.
I tried to be cool and explain how our cars are
different in capabilities but you just don't want to
hear it.
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From: Kennesaw, GA
Originally posted by locosteelersfan
You know what, your a freaking idiot. WHo cars
about Fbods, clearly you as you are here. Where
do you come up with 90% being "plain Janes".
If that and as you say the millions sold were true
they would still be making them, you do know
they stopped right, clearly you know little to
nothing about them. Dude an SS is a Z28 with
a basicly just an appearance package so how doesn't
it count. Cobras don't count either even though they
are built totally by Ford and sold and warrantied by
them. You're a biased fool. plain and simple.
Differences like cams, intakes and so on are nothing?
No they have no impact on performance.
Keep telling yourself how fast your car is and I'll
keep smoking them, well maybe not since 99.999%
of people who want to race won't be driving them.
Now your car is a "performer" cause it only comes in
V8. Maybe all those "lincoln" engineers where too
busy building all of Fords other engines to make a V6.
Where's your manual transmission option since your
car is such a muscle machine with its wood grain and
navigation.
I tried to be cool and explain how our cars are
different in capabilities but you just don't want to
hear it.
You know what, your a freaking idiot. WHo cars
about Fbods, clearly you as you are here. Where
do you come up with 90% being "plain Janes".
If that and as you say the millions sold were true
they would still be making them, you do know
they stopped right, clearly you know little to
nothing about them. Dude an SS is a Z28 with
a basicly just an appearance package so how doesn't
it count. Cobras don't count either even though they
are built totally by Ford and sold and warrantied by
them. You're a biased fool. plain and simple.
Differences like cams, intakes and so on are nothing?
No they have no impact on performance.
Keep telling yourself how fast your car is and I'll
keep smoking them, well maybe not since 99.999%
of people who want to race won't be driving them.
Now your car is a "performer" cause it only comes in
V8. Maybe all those "lincoln" engineers where too
busy building all of Fords other engines to make a V6.
Where's your manual transmission option since your
car is such a muscle machine with its wood grain and
navigation.
I tried to be cool and explain how our cars are
different in capabilities but you just don't want to
hear it.
Fact: Most Lincoln owners do not mod their cars, especially back in 1993.
Fact: Most Cobra owners race and are hard on engines.
Fact: The Cobra engine is an evolution of the Lincoln designed 4.6 l DOHC. The engine was updated to compensate for weaknesses found in the Lincoln installed engines and to change items that packaging the engine into the Mark were a compromise. (There were many. Exploding oil filters, weaker skirts on pistons, etc.) Ford took the Lincoln engine and made certain parts so they would withstand racing and modification by their owners without having undue warranty failures. They also packaged it differently, as the cats are a part of the exhaust manifold on the Lincoln.
I consider the Cobra not to be a "Mustang". It is a limited edition, specially built car that does not even say "Mustang" anywhere on the thing! You seem stuck on that, but I defined my statements to make clearer what I was saying. It is the same difference if you were to compare the Roadrunner and the Superbird. I also never said that the Lincoln engine, as applied and evolved by Ford, did not get more horsepower or durability. These are evolutionary, not profound.
I am aware of exactly what engines your beloved Fbody cars came with since 1990. (I thought I said 85% were not high performance optioned.) Not all were/are perfomance optioned. The fact that in the last year most were is irrelevant to me. I do not worship Chevy.
I am saying that if I don't out-and-out beat you in a drag race, I will most definitely be at your door with my modded LINCOLN. Deal with it. What's more, with comparable tires, I think I have the edge on the skidpad. (Tire developement has come a long way since 1994.)
Who the heck wants anything to do with an manual in a Lincoln? (That would have gone over like a turd in the punchbowl at the Lincoln dealer!) The facts are they are comparable two door sports cars marketed at two distinctly different niches. The Lincoln has more luxury features. Furthermore, the Fbody has an antique rear solid axle driveline design, whereas the the Lincoln has a fully independent suspension with load leveling and lowering at speed due to a sophisticated air suspension. The shocks are autodampening to the conditions and have anti-dive characteristics on the earlier Mark VIII. Furthermore, Marks had four wheel antilock disc brakes. (In 1993)
And you are totally, irrevocably correct.... You may have tried to be, but you are not cool. Since you have delved into name-calling and hysterical rants, I shall not return to this venue.
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Dude I called you a fool cause you speak like one.
You say I need an education yet you say SS's and
Cobra don't count. What do you think a Cobra is
titled as....A MUSTANG. ITS AN OPTION PACKAGE
You say you can beat Gt's, Fbods and run door
to door with cobras. that is foolish.
Your paragraph about them being different is
EXACTLY what you have been fighting with me about.
First you owned a muscle car, now is a luxury car
with some *****, the description I gave from reply 1.
You have no idea about Fbod sales yet you give
figures, not you guess at. Cookiecutter you say.
More men own them than woman and the average age
is near 40 yet you have the "mature gearhead" car.
Why do you assume demographics? Cause you just
want to keep saying how damn fast your car is. Fine
go place some wagers on it and lose.
I still say I like the car, some of the owners though
are delusional.
You say I need an education yet you say SS's and
Cobra don't count. What do you think a Cobra is
titled as....A MUSTANG. ITS AN OPTION PACKAGE
You say you can beat Gt's, Fbods and run door
to door with cobras. that is foolish.
Your paragraph about them being different is
EXACTLY what you have been fighting with me about.
First you owned a muscle car, now is a luxury car
with some *****, the description I gave from reply 1.
You have no idea about Fbod sales yet you give
figures, not you guess at. Cookiecutter you say.
More men own them than woman and the average age
is near 40 yet you have the "mature gearhead" car.
Why do you assume demographics? Cause you just
want to keep saying how damn fast your car is. Fine
go place some wagers on it and lose.
I still say I like the car, some of the owners though
are delusional.
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One more thing, know why Ford put a blower on
the cobra, cause Z28's and SS's stock to stock were
killing your beloved "lincoln" motor and We never
filed a class action lawsuit against Chevy cause our
engine didn't put out nearly what it claimed.
the cobra, cause Z28's and SS's stock to stock were
killing your beloved "lincoln" motor and We never
filed a class action lawsuit against Chevy cause our
engine didn't put out nearly what it claimed.
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Originally posted by ONEBADMK8
Wrong. The DOHC 4.6 first appeared in the Mark VIII in 1993. This was the FIRST Ford production vehicle that utilized the 4.6 DOHC.
Why is this s hard to understand? Heres a review of the car showing a picture of the 4.6 four cam engine in a 1993 Mark VIII?
http://auto.consumerguide.com/auto/u...93115151990401
I own a 93 as well as 2 other Mark VIII;s they were the first 4 cammer's, not the Mustang.
Wrong. The DOHC 4.6 first appeared in the Mark VIII in 1993. This was the FIRST Ford production vehicle that utilized the 4.6 DOHC.
Why is this s hard to understand? Heres a review of the car showing a picture of the 4.6 four cam engine in a 1993 Mark VIII?
http://auto.consumerguide.com/auto/u...93115151990401
I own a 93 as well as 2 other Mark VIII;s they were the first 4 cammer's, not the Mustang.
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Originally posted by ONEBADMK8
Oh wow sorrrrrryy I was off by one year on one Model car. Sorry dude its been a long day.
Oh wow sorrrrrryy I was off by one year on one Model car. Sorry dude its been a long day.
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Originally posted by Mark 8
I did not say Cobras. And it is not down "hard". It was door to door, with a slight edge to the Cobra. The Mark VIII was a match for any year GT up to 1996.
I did not say Cobras. And it is not down "hard". It was door to door, with a slight edge to the Cobra. The Mark VIII was a match for any year GT up to 1996.
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Originally posted by Steve Y
He is not wrong. He said "4.6 SOHC and DOHC first made their appearances in the Mustang in 1996. The 94-95 SN-95 had the 5.0."
This is true. He did not say the 4.6 DOHC was first used in the Mustang.
He is not wrong. He said "4.6 SOHC and DOHC first made their appearances in the Mustang in 1996. The 94-95 SN-95 had the 5.0."
This is true. He did not say the 4.6 DOHC was first used in the Mustang.
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Originally posted by Mark 8
Easy there, amigo... I do not consider the SVT Cobras to be Mustangs, nor do I consider a car that's engine hand built on another assembly line "stock". The facts are, I raced a 1995 Cobra up to 154 mph and we were neck and neck. (Only thing not stock on my Mark was the speed limiter was defeated.) ...Until the Georgia Patrol used it's LIDAR on us and we split, he got pulled over. I also drag raced the same car and lost by a 1/2 car length. I care not a whit what your opinions are beyond that.
And yes, My stock Mark beat all stock SN-95 Mustangs until 1996 in straight line races. I never lost. That's a period on the end of that sentence.
I do believe that my Mark will now beat your GT, judging from your posted time.
Easy there, amigo... I do not consider the SVT Cobras to be Mustangs, nor do I consider a car that's engine hand built on another assembly line "stock". The facts are, I raced a 1995 Cobra up to 154 mph and we were neck and neck. (Only thing not stock on my Mark was the speed limiter was defeated.) ...Until the Georgia Patrol used it's LIDAR on us and we split, he got pulled over. I also drag raced the same car and lost by a 1/2 car length. I care not a whit what your opinions are beyond that.
And yes, My stock Mark beat all stock SN-95 Mustangs until 1996 in straight line races. I never lost. That's a period on the end of that sentence.
I do believe that my Mark will now beat your GT, judging from your posted time.
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Originally posted by Mark 8
Nowhere on the Cobra did it say "Mustang". Certainly it is not a stock Mustang. Reread what I said.
1994
I have no idea what it ran "officially" stock, I never hit the drag strip timers with it. I only raced it against other real world cars, red light to red light, etc.
You talk of credibility. I'd say you cannot read what I actually said, and not let your emotions come into it.
Nowhere on the Cobra did it say "Mustang". Certainly it is not a stock Mustang. Reread what I said.
1994
I have no idea what it ran "officially" stock, I never hit the drag strip timers with it. I only raced it against other real world cars, red light to red light, etc.
You talk of credibility. I'd say you cannot read what I actually said, and not let your emotions come into it.
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Originally posted by Kain
MKVIII's can haul some serious ***, my mom has a 95. I saw one run a 14.8@92, probably a 96+ from what TerminVIIIor said.
Edit: I've seen pictures of a white MKVIII with polished Cobra R wheels and it looked absolutly gorgeous. Those stock swirly wheels don't do it justice.
MKVIII's can haul some serious ***, my mom has a 95. I saw one run a 14.8@92, probably a 96+ from what TerminVIIIor said.
Edit: I've seen pictures of a white MKVIII with polished Cobra R wheels and it looked absolutly gorgeous. Those stock swirly wheels don't do it justice.
14.8 is hauling ***? New 3.8 Mustangs are very close to that time with a 5spd. I tuned and free modded another friends AOD 89 notch to a 14.59 at 95 with 2.73's out back. And you know what? It was still slow. When you have new Maximas and accords running low-mid 14's, high 14's are just not what they used to be. Can a Mark be fast? Sure it can, but in stock form it leaves a lot to be desired.
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Originally posted by locosteelersfan
One more thing, know why Ford put a blower on
the cobra, cause Z28's and SS's stock to stock were
killing your beloved "lincoln" motor and We never
filed a class action lawsuit against Chevy cause our
engine didn't put out nearly what it claimed.
One more thing, know why Ford put a blower on
the cobra, cause Z28's and SS's stock to stock were
killing your beloved "lincoln" motor and We never
filed a class action lawsuit against Chevy cause our
engine didn't put out nearly what it claimed.
One side note, the 5.0 crate engine packs 415 horses and could have easily beaten the LS-1. The "they had to add a blower" crap does not fly.
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And it's funny how the Ford motor company calls the Cobra "The Ford SVT Mustang Cobra:
http://www.svt.ford.com/flash/index.html
I can call a Zebra a jackass, doesn't mean that is what it really is.
http://www.svt.ford.com/flash/index.html
I can call a Zebra a jackass, doesn't mean that is what it really is.