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Old Oct 23, 2003 | 01:12 AM
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Originally posted by ONEBADMK8
What on Earth are you talking about?

Let me School you a little so your more clear and not so Nasty.

The Ford Modular 4.6l Engine comes in two variants.

1) The 281 Cubic Inch 2 cam 16 valve version (the one you made mention of debuting in 93?) Well the 4.6 2-cam 16 valve engine actually debuted in 1992. The Crown Victoria/Grand Marquis and the town Car recieved this engine first as far as Cars go.

2) The 281 Cubic Inch 4 cam version (This part you must have missed) This engine Debuted in the 1993 Lincoln Mark VIII this was the FIRST time ever this engine was released to the public in a 4 cam version? Why can't you understand this? Thats all we were saying?

Calm down a little.

As far as mid 14's for stock f bodies, that is all I have seen run at our Local track.
They may have had miles on them or a bad driver I have no idea but I have seen them run mid 14's on several occasions. Also you must remember something that is VERY imprtant, you Guys have 69 cubic inch more engine and weigh 150 plus less then us.

Heres a couple of cool video's that I figured you Guys would get a kick out of.

These are from the MM&FF Shootout in 2002. I was severely traction limited even with 275/40 17's.

http://www.lincolnmotorsport.com/geno2.mpg

Checkout the one below, here I hit second gear like a stick car.

http://www.maxrpm.com/geno5.mpg
Actually the Town car got the 4.6 in 1991. I have the Super Ford magazine for that year with the previews. The Vic and Marquis got it with the redesign in 92.
Old Oct 23, 2003 | 01:17 AM
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Originally posted by Steve Y
Wrong. Any year Mark 8 vs. the same year Mustang Cobra and the Cobra beats the Mark 8 down hard, stock for stock. Even a Mustang GT of the same year is a great run for any year Mark 8.
I agree. The only problem that the Cobra had in the 5.0 version (94-95) was the crappy computer that retarded timing when shifting to save the tranny. A swap fixes this little problem. The AODE verison of the mustang will more than likely lose to a good running Mark, but a GT will run close, a Cobra will kill it.
Old Oct 23, 2003 | 01:20 AM
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Originally posted by locosteelersfan


Thanks for filling me in on the specs, I didn't know
how similar the motors are but I suspect SVT does a
little more than just install a "lincoln" motor in a cobra
not to mention they are blown now if you haven't heard.

Do you know the differences between LT1, LS1, LB9,
L98 fbods. You may be confusing their performance.
Mark hasn't been made since 1998. Until then they were almost the same engine. After that is not relevant.
Old Oct 23, 2003 | 02:03 AM
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Originally posted by scott9050
4.6 SOHC and DOHC first made their appearances in the Mustang in 1996. The 94-95 SN-95 had the 5.0.
Wrong. The DOHC 4.6 first appeared in the Mark VIII in 1993. This was the FIRST Ford production vehicle that utilized the 4.6 DOHC.

Why is this s hard to understand? Heres a review of the car showing a picture of the 4.6 four cam engine in a 1993 Mark VIII?

http://auto.consumerguide.com/auto/u...93115151990401

I own a 93 as well as 2 other Mark VIII;s they were the first 4 cammer's, not the Mustang.
Old Oct 23, 2003 | 02:07 AM
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Originally posted by scott9050
Actually the Town car got the 4.6 in 1991. I have the Super Ford magazine for that year with the previews. The Vic and Marquis got it with the redesign in 92.
Oh wow sorrrrrryy I was off by one year on one Model car. Sorry dude its been a long day.
Old Oct 23, 2003 | 07:49 AM
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Originally posted by Steve Y
Wrong. Any year Mark 8 vs. the same year Mustang Cobra and the Cobra beats the Mark 8 down hard, stock for stock. Even a Mustang GT of the same year is a great run for any year Mark 8.
I did not say Cobras. And it is not down "hard". It was door to door, with a slight edge to the Cobra. The Mark VIII was a match for any year GT up to 1996.

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Old Oct 23, 2003 | 07:50 AM
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Originally posted by scott9050
And the cams and exaust manifolds are different.
Evolution.
Old Oct 23, 2003 | 08:04 AM
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Originally posted by locosteelersfan
Cookiecutter, another goffy statement.
Fact is the best selling Fbod in 2002 was a
SS. I never disrected your car. You can here
saying look at for us lincolns. Any LS1 will easy
run mid 13's in not better. I don't go to Viper
sites yelling look out for me, I'm a second behind you
and catching up-assuming they aren't modding as well.

I just don't understand what you are trying to
accomplish. I own a muscle car, it earns this
title. You own a LUXURY car that is the sport model
but it is a luxury car first, that's all I said and you
keep arguing this with me. WHY? I fully understand
that with enough mods any car, including yours can
be "fast". As I stated in my first post a M8 is a fast
car stock in certain respects but it has its limitations
which you further pointed out due to the fact once again
that its sole design does not hinder on performance.

Thanks for filling me in on the specs, I didn't know
how similar the motors are but I suspect SVT does a
little more than just install a "lincoln" motor in a cobra
not to mention they are blown now if you haven't heard.

Do you know the differences between LT1, LS1, LB9,
L98 fbods. You may be confusing their performance.
Yes. 85% of the Entire Fbody line from the 90' redesign through the last year were cookie cutter plain jane V6 and base model Camaro and Pontiacs. Of course the SS are not included in that. The thing about the Mark is that every car has the same engine.

Why, you ask? ...because you needed some education.

SVT does indeed include other evolutionary items in the current Cobras. Do you know of any V8 (or any engine for that matter) that has the same camshaft six to ten years after the engine was first brought out? Adding a power adder, or evolutionary changes, does not change the fact that Lincoln designed and built the engine.

Make no mistake. The Lincoln Mark VIII is a muscle car, that YOU give no respect to. No, it is no SS Camaro, but who (besides you) gives a whack?
Old Oct 23, 2003 | 08:06 AM
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Originally posted by scott9050
4.6 SOHC and DOHC first made their appearances in the Mustang in 1996. The 94-95 SN-95 had the 5.0.
Gee, was there a 1996 Cobra with the DOHC? I was not aware of that.
Old Oct 23, 2003 | 11:14 AM
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Originally posted by ONEBADMK8
Wrong. The DOHC 4.6 first appeared in the Mark VIII in 1993. This was the FIRST Ford production vehicle that utilized the 4.6 DOHC.
He is not wrong. He said "4.6 SOHC and DOHC first made their appearances in the Mustang in 1996. The 94-95 SN-95 had the 5.0."

This is true. He did not say the 4.6 DOHC was first used in the Mustang.
Old Oct 23, 2003 | 11:16 AM
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Originally posted by Mark 8
I did not say Cobras. And it is not down "hard". It was door to door, with a slight edge to the Cobra. The Mark VIII was a match for any year GT up to 1996.
First you said "The Mark beat all stock Mustangs of its day." Is the Cobra or GT not a stock Mustang? Now you are saying the Cobra barely beats the Mark 8 of the same year and GTs are good races for the 8. Which is it? You are swimming through BS trying to come up with the truth and it is not working.

Wrong. Find me any year bone stock Cobra vs. the same year bone stock Mark 8 and I will show you a lot harder beat down than door to door with a slight edge!

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Old Oct 23, 2003 | 11:27 AM
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Originally posted by Steve Y
First you said the Mark 8 beat all stock Mustangs of the same year or something like that. Now you are saying the Cobra barely beats the Mark 8 of the same year and GTs are good races for the 8. Which is it? You are swimming through BS trying to come up with the truth and it is not working.

Wrong. Find me any year bone stock Cobra vs. the same year bone stock Mark 8 and I will show you a lot harder beat down than door to door with a slight edge!
Easy there, amigo... I do not consider the SVT Cobras to be Mustangs, nor do I consider a car that's engine hand built on another assembly line "stock". The facts are, I raced a 1995 Cobra up to 154 mph and we were neck and neck. (Only thing not stock on my Mark was the speed limiter was defeated.) ...Until the Georgia Patrol used it's LIDAR on us and we split, he got pulled over. I also drag raced the same car and lost by a 1/2 car length. I care not a whit what your opinions are beyond that.

And yes, My stock Mark beat all stock SN-95 Mustangs until 1996 in straight line races. I never lost. That's a period on the end of that sentence.

I do believe that my Mark will now beat your GT, judging from your posted time.

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Old Oct 23, 2003 | 11:41 AM
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Easy there, amigo... I do not consider the SVT Cobras to be Mustangs, nor do I consider a car that's engine hand built on another assembly line "stock". The facts are, I raced a 1995 Cobra up to 154 mph and we were neck and neck. (Only thing not stock on my Mark was the speed limiter was defeated.) ...Until the Georgia Patrol used it's LIDAR on us and we split, he got pulled over. I also drag raced the same car and lost by a 1/2 car length. I care not a whit what your opinions are beyond that.

And yes, My stock Mark beat all stock SN-95 Mustangs until 1996 in straight line races. I never lost. That's a period on the end of that sentence.

I do believe that my Mark will now beat your GT, judging from your posted time.
So now a Cobra is a modded Mustang? It comes from the factory that way. What year is your Mark? When you keep changing your story, you lose a lot of credibility. What did your Mark run bone stock?
Old Oct 23, 2003 | 11:48 AM
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So now a Cobra is a modded Mustang? It comes from the factory that way. What year is your Mark? When you keep changing your story, you lose a lot of credibility. What did your Mark run bone stock?
Nowhere on the Cobra did it say "Mustang". Certainly it is not a stock Mustang. Reread what I said.

1994

I have no idea what it ran "officially" stock, I never hit the drag strip timers with it. I only raced it against other real world cars, red light to red light, etc.

You talk of credibility. I'd say you cannot read what I actually said, and not let your emotions come into it.
Old Oct 23, 2003 | 12:21 PM
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MKVIII's can haul some serious ***, my mom has a 95. I saw one run a 14.8@92, probably a 96+ from what TerminVIIIor said.

Edit: I've seen pictures of a white MKVIII with polished Cobra R wheels and it looked absolutly gorgeous. Those stock swirly wheels don't do it justice.



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