Beat a built 3rd gen
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correct me if im wrong, but how come you guys keep comparing a "bolt on L98" to the ls1...if you read its a H/C/I CARBED 355 with 10:1 CR that EASILY 425 hp. its also an 84 camaro, which means no GFX, and manual hatch release, and had all the HVAC stuff removed, excess wiring, stereo system, cruise control, and carpet padding, this car weights an easy 3200lbs if not less. Granted he has a weak *** stall and gearing for the cam he has, there were roll runs and not from a dig. Either this thing was running like ***, or he doesnt have all he says he has, because that LS1 wouldnt stand a chance. And FWIW theres only 2 NA TPI cars that i know of making 400RWHP and believe me its not easy. I just wish an LS1 would even mess with my "Turdgen"...i think my license plate says it al.. " LS WHAT"
Just because you probably have some soft *** mo, or maybe you're just a *****, hell I don't know. If you insult the Corps, you shoulda joined the Navy or the Army. Because if you think that the Corps is easy, well you'd love the softness of the other branches. I never claimed to be special, I just know what the Corps is vs the other branches. I have several friends stationed here at Hood, I know what the basic Army-man goes through. A breeze compared to the Corps. You bring up a 110lb kid graduating basic? What the **** does their weight have to do with it? You think there aren't 110lb kids coming from Army basic? Yes there is...the difference.....training. So try again with your lame *** examples. I know a guy that was 4th division Recon, 125lbs, and probably walk through your lazy ***. You are a disgrace. Every branch has softened, the Corps is still the most effective.
The only thing the Marines are still "most effective" at are being typical jarheads, running into rediculous situations and getting themselves killed!! It's all in the numbers dude, it's all in the numbers.
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Dude the reasons jarheads die so much is because they think just like you. That world in-fact revolves around. Overly large heads. They run into situation guns blazing Rambo style, and they get leveled. The Army goes into just as many, if not MORE situations like this. You dont see us getting leveled by the platoon? It's called a brain. Something the "Corps" must have had you guys lose.
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I can't stop wondering how you became so naive & stupid? What kind of experience do you have to begin with? I am betting 0. What was your mo? You think the Corps just says, "go in and do whatever"? Are you a ****ing clown? There is a chain of command, that all Marines follow. The reason more Marines die, is because a higher % of Marines see combat, go into situations un-trained big mouths like yourself could not handle or react to. You think that training and having courage replaces a brain? Shows what little respect and knowledge you have.
And to say that Marines go into combat more often that Soldiers is silly-talk. Apparently us "untrained Army Folk" do handle situations better. Which is why we dont rush **** and just call for armor or artillery. Or have as high a casualty rate. Shells are replaceable. Lives are not. The sooner you guys learn this, the better.
And your comment "You think that training and having courage replaces a brain? Shows what little respect and knowledge you have", that's EXACTLY what I'm trying to say about the Corps. Exactly.
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Okay, Okay you two: Break it up! It's time to take it to the track, line 'em up and have an old fashioned grudge match. You are both more than just a little " off topic " at the moment! 
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BTW, I think my " built " third-gen can take almost any bolt-on LS1. What do you all have to say to that?
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BTW, I think my " built " third-gen can take almost any bolt-on LS1. What do you all have to say to that?
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Umm actually The army rangers are the first to go before anyone..so check your stats. And its IED's that kill more than anything else, those sorry as ****'s couldnt hit the broad side of the barn with an AK That really has nothing to do with what branch you're in either, a kill's a kill to them. And FYI 4th recon.. TAMPONS..once a months and only when you need them.. cant even stay on active duty, and i passed the recon indoc, its not that hard, its just swimming and running WHOOPTY, its little boot as LCPL reservists like you who pump the marine corps up to something so elite, when its not. Yes the standards are set higher as far as appearance and behavior, but everyone who wear the high and tight thinks they are the baddest ****'s on the block and they always have something to prove. And as reference to that 110lb kid graduating, i say that because you dont even have to be physically strong to pass. the PFT to pass is 2 pullups, 45 crunches in 2 minutes, and 3 miles in 28 minutes...give me a break i could do that in the 3rd grade.
And going mod for mod with a bolt on LS1, obviously that is stupid as theres about 10 years of R&D between an LS1 and my car. Thats like saying go mod for mod Fox stang vs 03 cobra, you're just comparing apples to oranges. How bout you give me the same specs...improved suspension, higher compression, aluminum heads and block, larger cam, superior flowing heads and intake, same sized valves. Rpm band, And ecu. Im sure it would be a hell of a lot closer. I dont "think" i can take a nolt on ls1, i know i can, I would love to see abolt on ls1 go high 9's on motor and 8's on spray. Even H/C/I and every bolt on wont touch this.
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Man, you are one lame, worthless and stupid mothercucker yourself! Who crossed the Iraq border first? Who broke ground on Normandy first? I know men from the first co. in Iraq, can you tell me who that is bigmouth? I can tell you are some lame army boy acting as a Marine, just to insult the Corps. I have never heard such bull**** from someone that claims the Corps. You are a true disgrace to any branch, but you aren't a Marine, so that explains it all. 2 pull-ups, 45 crunches in 2 min and 3 miles in 28 min? You are a ****ing idiot! Our OCS is tougher than that, you need to do some homework poser. Recon a breeze? You passed it up? Ya, that once again shows what kind of bum you are, but you are a poser. Holy ****, you are a ****ing poser and stupid as the mother that had you! Reservist like me? Bitch, I served my 4.5 years active duty, including a tour of well over 11 mos. Where and what the **** have you done? What a ****ing joke! If you are a Marine, you are bitter because you went open contract or some 26XX comm crap job. Give me a break, the Rangers going first huh? Ya, sure! Bitch, don't give me any info on IED's, I understand all to well what they do. So that proves your boyfriends statements wrong. So, why are there statistically more Marines dead than any other branch? Because the we are sent to take care of **** first, the Army, other than the Rangers and SF, are all secondary...a clean up crew. I have a close friend who was a Ranger back in 92-98. He was at Benning for years, and we have always compared notes and tactics. He is the first to say that Ranger school is very similar to MCRD. I'm sorry, you probably have no clue what that is. Every Marine goes through MCRD as well as combat school, no matter mo.
As far as your little LS1 comparison, whining job. Ya, I know you have a piece of **** that has no value or technology. However, the LS1 does. Don't hate the LS1 because it took you 8k in a pos to get where a 6K car already exists, and has value and appeal as well. The 80's cars are always going to be a joke an worth nothing. Not only that, mass produced and ugly.
You are a ****ing idiot! Our OCS is tougher than that, you need to do some homework poser. Recon a breeze? You passed it up? Ya, that once again shows what kind of bum you are, but you are a poser. Holy ****, you are a ****ing poser and stupid as the mother that had you! Reservist like me? Bitch, I served my 4.5 years active duty, including a tour of well over 11 mos. Where and what the **** have you done? What a ****ing joke! If you are a Marine, you are bitter because you went open contract or some 26XX comm crap job. Give me a break, the Rangers going first huh? Ya, sure! Bitch, don't give me any info on IED's, I understand all to well what they do. So that proves your boyfriends statements wrong. So, why are there statistically more Marines dead than any other branch? Because the we are sent to take care of **** first, the Army, other than the Rangers and SF, are all secondary...a clean up crew. I have a close friend who was a Ranger back in 92-98. He was at Benning for years, and we have always compared notes and tactics. He is the first to say that Ranger school is very similar to MCRD. I'm sorry, you probably have no clue what that is. Every Marine goes through MCRD as well as combat school, no matter mo.As far as your little LS1 comparison, whining job. Ya, I know you have a piece of **** that has no value or technology. However, the LS1 does. Don't hate the LS1 because it took you 8k in a pos to get where a 6K car already exists, and has value and appeal as well. The 80's cars are always going to be a joke an worth nothing. Not only that, mass produced and ugly.
You are truely a comedian.. Im not a marine? well then just hop on MOL and look me up asshat. Jordan R. Alile And in case you forgot, the crunches, pullups, and run time is passing for the PFT.. AKA **** POOR but thats all you need to pass it, ive never had below 285 on mine. and as for passing it up recon , Who the **** ever said i did that...i pretty much do whatever the **** i want, and no one ****s with me. They even made me an RTP instructor at 2nd force in lejeune. But i got lucky enough to get out of that and IA with on of my riverine Sgt's to II MEF, its a nice little brake, and im sitting in Kuwait, been here since feb and i go home apr next year. Ive also been to iraq twice and afghanistan one time so dont question me what the **** i've done in my career. And let me tell you a little something about history..first off normandy was how long ago? And as far as crossing the border to iraq, the marine troops might have crossed first, but the Army Rangers were the first to actually be in the country doing recon. on the territory, the came the marine recon. units. so go else where if you want to get into a pissing contest with someone.
and to this series of comments...". Ya, I know you have a piece of **** that has no value or technology. However, the LS1 does. Don't hate the LS1 because it took you 8k in a pos to get where a 6K car already exists, and has value and appeal as well"
An lsx car that only costs 6k to start...thats telling a whole lot about value, sounds quite a bit contradicting doesnt it?. so take your 6k ls1 car with 2k in mods, vs my 500 POS thirdgen and 7500 in mods and we'll see who wins.. dollar for dollar including the car, my 80's mass produced ugly joke of a car will take the cake everytime...enjoy you're day
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Man, shows what you know about the military. Marines where created to go into situations that merit a strong ground combat force. The army has the artillery,tanks etc,etc, even though we do have many resources. We go into places before most of that even is called in, given a extremely hostile environment. "The sooner you guys learn this, the better". That is the most ridiculous statement I have ever heard and I really feel you are one stupid un-informed individual. Sure, some shake and bake comes in...and says, "move in, move in" Without any Intel or orders from the higher up. 
Give me a ****ing break. If you want to change the way the Corps operates or what the Corps does, learn to preach this **** to the enemy know -it-all. You should realize that life and warfare are a little different than some 3rd person pc video game you play with your buddies. "The sooner you learn this, the better".
Congrats......yall have "built" 3rd gens you think can take a bolt-on LS1, real impressive. How about yall go mod for mod?
Give me a ****ing break. If you want to change the way the Corps operates or what the Corps does, learn to preach this **** to the enemy know -it-all. You should realize that life and warfare are a little different than some 3rd person pc video game you play with your buddies. "The sooner you learn this, the better".Congrats......yall have "built" 3rd gens you think can take a bolt-on LS1, real impressive. How about yall go mod for mod?
Quit whining. The Marines don't do all the "cool" stuff while us Army guys sit back and relax in the tanks. Sorry. Just doens't work that way. Go back to the Corps and yell at them for teaching you their wrong, propagandized view of themselves.
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Matt! Restrain yourself! Get back on topic before the moderators LOCK the thread and BAN US ALL 
There is no winning this war of Marines versus the Army! Didja know I'm a veteran of the USAF? I'll tell you both what: I'll go to the off-topic forum and post a USAF vs. the ARMY vs. the MARINES and you guys can take the argument there, if you like.
Okay here you go: Take the brawl here:
http://web.camaross.com/forums/showthread.php?t=520267
There is no winning this war of Marines versus the Army! Didja know I'm a veteran of the USAF? I'll tell you both what: I'll go to the off-topic forum and post a USAF vs. the ARMY vs. the MARINES and you guys can take the argument there, if you like.Okay here you go: Take the brawl here:
http://web.camaross.com/forums/showthread.php?t=520267
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whoever said that the 3rd gen should be making 425+ hp(crank) was absolutely right, i think that there was something wrong with it. that car, assuming a decent 60', should run mid to low 12's.
as far a tpi is concerned, there is no way in hell anyone is making 400 with a stock intake. maybe with a fully ported one, but for the time and effort an HSR is the way to go.
i don't know of any stock $6k ls1 cars that run 9's on motor and 8's on juice. i might just be out of the loop though.
as far a tpi is concerned, there is no way in hell anyone is making 400 with a stock intake. maybe with a fully ported one, but for the time and effort an HSR is the way to go.
As far as your little LS1 comparison, whining job. Ya, I know you have a piece of **** that has no value or technology. However, the LS1 does. Don't hate the LS1 because it took you 8k in a pos to get where a 6K car already exists, and has value and appeal as well. The 80's cars are always going to be a joke an worth nothing. Not only that, mass produced and ugly.
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The difference between the ARMY And THE MARINE CORP is that the marine corp are brainwashed to think the way they do.not Trying to badmouth the Marines as I have much more respect for them than ANY other military branch but thats the way it is.
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I have done enough automotive engineering, studying, racing, and seen the dyno testing to know that he is dead wrong when he thinks that a gen1 SBC offers greater performance potential than an LS1.
Do a similar build on a gen 1 SBC, as the gen III LS1, and you will find the LS1 will always have more power on the table. Put together similar cylinder head combos with similar port runner volumes, and the LS1 head will outflow the 23 degree SBC head by at least 40 cfm. Put insimilar cam profiles, and the LS1 will pull another 50 or 60 horsepower from that same head configuration. ...and it'll do it with a better idle, and with less spark advance.
Do a similar build on a gen 1 SBC, as the gen III LS1, and you will find the LS1 will always have more power on the table. Put together similar cylinder head combos with similar port runner volumes, and the LS1 head will outflow the 23 degree SBC head by at least 40 cfm. Put insimilar cam profiles, and the LS1 will pull another 50 or 60 horsepower from that same head configuration. ...and it'll do it with a better idle, and with less spark advance.
I've seen many of your posts over the years and would venture to say that you know you're stuff. However, posts like that make you look foolish. For a boring street build sure the LS1 has the advantage. But in the hardcore racing arena the LS1 is so far behind its not even funny. Keep making comparisons to a 23 degree SBC... The SBC has been pushed farther than the LS1 is likely to ever go (so has the SBF). Power production potential, SBC without question. Drivability, fuel mileage, and emissions are LS1 strongholds, but certainly not potential! Given similar builds, the LS1 will come out on top in the lower end stuff. But there is just so much more than can be done with the SBC that a radical SBC build simply cannot match due to lack of parts and technology.
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whoever said that the 3rd gen should be making 425+ hp(crank) was absolutely right, i think that there was something wrong with it. that car, assuming a decent 60', should run mid to low 12's.
as far a tpi is concerned, there is no way in hell anyone is making 400 with a stock intake. maybe with a fully ported one, but for the time and effort an HSR is the way to go.
as far a tpi is concerned, there is no way in hell anyone is making 400 with a stock intake. maybe with a fully ported one, but for the time and effort an HSR is the way to go.
I agree 100%. Man I give every branch their repect, but the Marines have a MAJOR case of big-head-syndrome. I know more marine-reclasses coming into the Army than anything. They've finally seen the light.