* The Return of C5 to Fbody front brake conversion brackets (Bishop)! LIMITED SALE! *
* The Return of C5 to Fbody front brake conversion brackets (Bishop)! LIMITED SALE! *
Due to massive and incredible demand, we are happy to announce that the original C5 to F-Body front brake conversion brackets are going to be available again!
http://www.speedspecialty.com/store/...=c5fbodybrakes
These were formerly known as "Bob Bishop Brackets" and now known as F-Body TrackBrackets. Bob is no longer involved in these brackets, however his exact design and specs have been passed on so that they can be made once again using the exact same design, tolerances, material, hardware, and manufacturing process...right down to the packaging. Many of you know how well the brackets were engineered and tested far beyond any similar products. The unmatched quality and craftsmanship of these brackets have proven themselves time and time again. The only changes made will be that the version soon to be available will be anodized black instead of silver, which was a common request.
To kick off the return of these magnificent pieces, we are offering a VERY LIMITED SALE on them. This will be a pre-order sale, all orders placed are expected to ship in late July when they complete production.
This sale will not be repeated very often, and will end on July, 22, 2005 or when there are 20 orders placed.
Act fast, these are expected to sell out quickly as they have in the past.
http://www.speedspecialty.com/store/...=c5fbodybrakes
If you have any questions, feel free to post them or e-mail us. Once again, we are very happy to be bringing these to you again. Thanks!
http://www.speedspecialty.com/store/...=c5fbodybrakes
These were formerly known as "Bob Bishop Brackets" and now known as F-Body TrackBrackets. Bob is no longer involved in these brackets, however his exact design and specs have been passed on so that they can be made once again using the exact same design, tolerances, material, hardware, and manufacturing process...right down to the packaging. Many of you know how well the brackets were engineered and tested far beyond any similar products. The unmatched quality and craftsmanship of these brackets have proven themselves time and time again. The only changes made will be that the version soon to be available will be anodized black instead of silver, which was a common request.
To kick off the return of these magnificent pieces, we are offering a VERY LIMITED SALE on them. This will be a pre-order sale, all orders placed are expected to ship in late July when they complete production.
This sale will not be repeated very often, and will end on July, 22, 2005 or when there are 20 orders placed.
Act fast, these are expected to sell out quickly as they have in the past.
http://www.speedspecialty.com/store/...=c5fbodybrakes
If you have any questions, feel free to post them or e-mail us. Once again, we are very happy to be bringing these to you again. Thanks!
Last edited by SpeedSpecialty; Jun 26, 2005 at 08:50 PM.
Re: * The Return of C5 to Fbody front brake conversion brackets (Bishop)! LIMITED SALE! *
I am interested in the brake brackets for my 94 Z-28 is the price $279.99 or is there a special price for this site? Please quote a complete price including shipping to Pickerington, Ohio 43147
Re: * The Return of C5 to Fbody front brake conversion brackets (Bishop)! LIMITED SALE! *
Originally Posted by red94_f-1
I am interested in the brake brackets for my 94 Z-28 is the price $279.99 or is there a special price for this site?
Any other questions, just e-mail!
Re: * The Return of C5 to Fbody front brake conversion brackets (Bishop)! LIMITED SALE! *
are there any available for the rear? or what can i do to get rear c5 brakes to fit? so it wont look as bad and it will be alot better?
thanks
thanks
Re: * The Return of C5 to Fbody front brake conversion brackets (Bishop)! LIMITED SALE! *
Re: * The Return of C5 to Fbody front brake conversion brackets (Bishop)! LIMITED SALE! *
When Bob Bishop originally decided to build and design these brackets, he worked with everyone from Brembo to engineers at Kaiser Aluminum (and many people in between). The result of this research is what is very likely the strongest brake bracket you can buy for your F-body. The alloy we use is a 6061-T6511 aluminum. While the numbers are not terribly interesting, the result is a material with a high resistance to fatigue (weakening) after being exposed to continuous load cycles and elevated temperatures. This material was hand picked based on documented temperatures that it would be exposed to during use, these temps were measured on a well prepared Camaro being run by a very competitive driver on a real road course (not just friends at an open track day, they were run very hard in an effort to get a worst case temperature reading). The design was tested in a lab until it failed, modified and tested again. The brackets were subjected to nearly 23,000 lbs of force before failure, and oddly, the bracket didn't fail directly, it was the 4 bolts that hold the hub assembly in place that eventually failed. 23,000 lbs was the load on one bracket, so the pair would be capable of nearly 46,000 lbs. This is considerably more than the weight of an F-body, or even several. Meaning, the bracket is far stronger than required (on paper), and the conversion is still lighter than the stock LT1 brakes. These brackets were engineered to be amazingly strong, because a failure of the brake system is simply unacceptable. That's why I have worked with Bob to continue the manufacturing of his design, to his specifications. This is because I wanted to keep this product available to the F-body community due to both its quality and previous success.
Sorry for the lengthy reply (I could probably go on all day, but I'll save you eyestrain).
Thanks,
TB
Sorry for the lengthy reply (I could probably go on all day, but I'll save you eyestrain).
Thanks,
TB
Re: * The Return of C5 to Fbody front brake conversion brackets (Bishop)! LIMITED SALE! *
Originally Posted by DiabloGT
are there any available for the rear? or what can i do to get rear c5 brakes to fit? so it wont look as bad and it will be alot better?
thanks
thanks
Re: * The Return of C5 to Fbody front brake conversion brackets (Bishop)! LIMITED SAL
Originally Posted by trackbrackets
When Bob Bishop originally decided to build and design these brackets, he worked with everyone from Brembo to engineers at Kaiser Aluminum (and many people in between). The result of this research is what is very likely the strongest brake bracket you can buy for your F-body. The alloy we use is a 6061-T6511 aluminum. While the numbers are not terribly interesting, the result is a material with a high resistance to fatigue (weakening) after being exposed to continuous load cycles and elevated temperatures. This material was hand picked based on documented temperatures that it would be exposed to during use, these temps were measured on a well prepared Camaro being run by a very competitive driver on a real road course (not just friends at an open track day, they were run very hard in an effort to get a worst case temperature reading). The design was tested in a lab until it failed, modified and tested again. The brackets were subjected to nearly 23,000 lbs of force before failure, and oddly, the bracket didn't fail directly, it was the 4 bolts that hold the hub assembly in place that eventually failed. 23,000 lbs was the load on one bracket, so the pair would be capable of nearly 46,000 lbs. This is considerably more than the weight of an F-body, or even several. Meaning, the bracket is far stronger than required (on paper), and the conversion is still lighter than the stock LT1 brakes. These brackets were engineered to be amazingly strong, because a failure of the brake system is simply unacceptable. That's why I have worked with Bob to continue the manufacturing of his design, to his specifications. This is because I wanted to keep this product available to the F-body community due to both its quality and previous success.
Sorry for the lengthy reply (I could probably go on all day, but I'll save you eyestrain).
Thanks,
TB
Sorry for the lengthy reply (I could probably go on all day, but I'll save you eyestrain).
Thanks,
TB
What's the diference between Aluminum 2024 and Aluminum 6061-T6511?
There are more options out there than before.
BTW I bought a set out of the last batch of Bishop's. Some day they'll get installed
Last edited by PediDr2; Jun 28, 2005 at 02:35 PM.
Re: * The Return of C5 to Fbody front brake conversion brackets (Bishop)! LIMITED SAL
Originally Posted by PediDr2
What's the diference between Aluminum 2024 and Aluminum 6061-T6511?
There are more options out there than before.
BTW I bought a set out of the last batch of Bishop's. Some day they'll get installed
There are more options out there than before.
BTW I bought a set out of the last batch of Bishop's. Some day they'll get installed

6061-T6511 has a tensile strength that is roughly 33% higher than 304 stainless steel (which someone is using for a similar bracket that I recently saw, but I forget who). The 6061-T6511 alloy used for these brackets will exhibit less flex than the 304 stainless bracket of similar weight. So, I'd avoid those if possible.
2024 vs 6061-T6511. This one is more tricky to answer.
Aluminum 6061 T6511- Extruded
Tensile Strength- 38,000 psi
Yield Strength- 35,000 psi
Elongation- 11.1/11.4 %
Aluminum 2024 T3511- Extruded (Material my bracket uses)
Tensile Strength- 68,000 psi
Yield Strength- 48,000 psi
Elongation- 12%
I have the following information which was provided by Bob Bishop, so, instead of reinventing the wheel, I'll give you his words.
On paper, the 2024 looks like a much stronger choice, however, you are looking at the ratings for virgin material. Once you begin to look at the stress life data curves or fatigue life cycles charts on 2024? Even in an over-aged temper it looses more of its original tensile and yield properties than any other high-strength aluminum I have researched. And that is at ambient temperature. When the testing temperature is elevated, it looses a MUCH higher % of its strength than 6061. At a point in the life cycle testing, the curves cross and the 6061 is now stronger. I have stress life data curves provided by Westmoreland Mechanical Testing & Research. Depending on the shape of the test sample and application of test forces, some of the results are shocking, but all of them are at least troubling. In worst case, the 2024 test sample had lost about 75% of its original strength, and that was at ROOM TEMPERATURE testing! This potential loss of strength MUST be taken into account in the engineering stage.
If you are not familiar with this type of test, the sample is continually stressed short of yield. As the test cycles accumulate, the stress levels are lowered appropriately to ensure that the material is never stressed to yield. Again, that is keeping short of yield; not approaching UTS. After only 20,000 cycles the 2024 was already under 30,000 psi (calculated), at AMBIENT temperature. When these tests are performed at elevated temps things get really scary. I have results showing 2024 loosing about 85% of its original strength at the end of the life cycle test when performed at 300* F.
After giving my metallurgist the worst case temperature that the brackets would reach on the race track (hard data accumulated from actual track testing), he suggested using 6061 and simply beefing up the bracket and lab testing again (his was the second professional recommendation I received to do that). And he was in charge of Kaiser’s 7068 project. He really wanted me to use the 7068 initially, until I was able to give him the data on maximum temps. That is (was?) Kaiser’s strongest, newest aluminum alloy: 100,700 psi Ultimate Tensile and 93,600 psi Tensile Yield. He had even offered to get me two 12’ bars to perform sample runs, until he determined that the alloy was not appropriate for my application. Of course, they manufacture 2024, 7075, and other high-strength alloys as well, but he recommended against their use also, as their initial strength and remaining strength after fatigue life cycle testing were both inferior to 7068. The 7068 also has a greater % property loss from a high heat environment than 6061. During the months I was researching alloys, the price of the 7068 kept escalating, but before strength concerns arose, I was committed to use it even when it cost about 15% more than 7075 (and more than 2024).
Then there is the problem of corrosion. 2024 is far inferior to 6061 in corrosion resistance. And even more so in the T3 temper. The 2024 needs protection from the environment. Powder coating will provide protection as long as it is not violated. When you torque down the 14mm bolts to 120 – 140 lbs/ft, there is a good chance that the powder coat will crack at the bolt or washer edge. Then you have no protection for the corrosion prone 2024, and even worse, this is an area of high stress.
I choose clear HARD COAT anodizing after doing research and getting professional advice on the subject. The anodize is not just an exterior coating. It penetrates as deeply under (into) the metal surface as it builds up thickness on the top of the surface. It further increases abrasion resistance and measurably increases surface hardness. And in any case, 6061 is naturally very corrosion resistant, even without anodizing. 6061 is more environmentally stable (corrosion resistant), more temperature stable (weakens less from heat), and long term stress strength stable than 2024. In the correct environment and application, virgin 2024 is obviously stronger, but we can never be sure of how many years someone may leave these brackets on their car, or how hard they will be used?
Last edited by trackbrackets; Jun 28, 2005 at 03:44 PM.
Re: * The Return of C5 to Fbody front brake conversion brackets (Bishop)! LIMITED SAL
Originally Posted by DiabloGT
are there any available for the rear? or what can i do to get rear c5 brakes to fit? so it wont look as bad and it will be alot better?
thanks
thanks
http://frrax.com/rrforum/index.php?act=ST&f=2&t=4105
Bottom line if you don't feel like reading:
- Rear C5 calipers DO fit on f-bodies but do very little to no good for additional stopping power. The C5s on the front makes TONS of difference, however.
- The anti-rattle spring does not fit from an f-car caliper to the C5 caliper and the C5 spring is a drag to find if you don't know where to look.
- The C5 anti-rattle spring interferes with the f-body rotor (at least my aftermarket rotors) and further modification is necessary.
- I hope to make the additional modifications tomorrow.
The easier and cheaper way to do it is to buy some G2 caliper paint and get better pads. I did it just to see if it would work, to have them match and to be able to actually say that I have C5 brakes on all four corners.
Re: * The Return of C5 to Fbody front brake conversion brackets (Bishop)! LIMITED SAL
Originally Posted by JasonD
Actually, I have been doing some testing lately. The conversation carried over here:
http://frrax.com/rrforum/index.php?act=ST&f=2&t=4105
Bottom line if you don't feel like reading:
- Rear C5 calipers DO fit on f-bodies but do very little to no good for additional stopping power. The C5s on the front makes TONS of difference, however.
- The anti-rattle spring does not fit from an f-car caliper to the C5 caliper and the C5 spring is a drag to find if you don't know where to look.
- The C5 anti-rattle spring interferes with the f-body rotor (at least my aftermarket rotors) and further modification is necessary.
- I hope to make the additional modifications tomorrow.
The easier and cheaper way to do it is to buy some G2 caliper paint and get better pads. I did it just to see if it would work, to have them match and to be able to actually say that I have C5 brakes on all four corners.
http://frrax.com/rrforum/index.php?act=ST&f=2&t=4105
Bottom line if you don't feel like reading:
- Rear C5 calipers DO fit on f-bodies but do very little to no good for additional stopping power. The C5s on the front makes TONS of difference, however.
- The anti-rattle spring does not fit from an f-car caliper to the C5 caliper and the C5 spring is a drag to find if you don't know where to look.
- The C5 anti-rattle spring interferes with the f-body rotor (at least my aftermarket rotors) and further modification is necessary.
- I hope to make the additional modifications tomorrow.
The easier and cheaper way to do it is to buy some G2 caliper paint and get better pads. I did it just to see if it would work, to have them match and to be able to actually say that I have C5 brakes on all four corners.


If you can pour through the hundreds of posts in the original GP thread, and the secondary technical question thread, a LOT of questions can be answered (probably by Bob himself) from last year. Just a thought.
Re: * The Return of C5 to Fbody front brake conversion brackets (Bishop)! LIMITED SALE! *
The C5 rears are not an upgrade, but installing the C5 calipers would allow you to have identical calipers on the front and rear. That is the only true reason to make the switch. However, until we can compare piston sizes, we can't begin to estimate the potential change in brake bias (if any). It is a cosmetic upgrade only. A pad change will go much farther to upgrade your braking potential in the rear.


