I've got a black non-clearcoat car that i'm using Z5 (with ZFX) on... i started with the dawn wash and the claying... now i've done two coats of Z5 with a coat of Z6 after each one... my question is, on a black car, does Z5 really get rid of swirlmarks? under the direct light in the garage i can still see them... don't get me wrong, the car looks stunning and the black is very deep and wet looking, but like i say, in direct light i still see some swirls... is this just the nature of black or should i just keep doing more and more coats of Z5? i was planning to do one more and then switching to Z3...

thanks!
Jeff

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'94 Black Z28 - 396ci, T-Trim, Spearco air-to-air, TH400, Strange 12-bolt, 760hp, 688lb/ft on 9psi (7.0/3.125 pullies)

 

Are you sure you are seeing buffer swirl marks or just the common light spider webbing seen in all black paint jobs (I will post a link below as to what real swirl marks look like) If the 94 is the one you are working on, unless it has been repainted, it came with clear coat from the factory.

It is very hard on black to totally eliminate all the smaller scratches, that is just somethin we black car owners have to live with, just try to make it better, more Z-5 with Z-6 in between (Z-6 has a lot of filling properties)

What real buffer swirls look like (look on the front corner drivers side of the hood):

http://www.regionofdoom.com/images/E...S/DCP_1571.htm

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96 Black Impala SS
Authorized Zaino Showcar Polish Distributor
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no, its nothing that bad thank god!

if you are just looking at the hood, for example, it looks like a mirror... i have an incandescent light right above the car and as i move around there's always that one angle where i can see some very fine little scratches in the area where i can see the relection of the light bulb... they are usually circular so that's why i was calling them swirl marks... but maybe they are what you're calling spidering... again, i'm not complaining, i'm just wondering... the black keeps looking deeper as i apply more Z5 but these scratches haven't really diminished... just wanted to know if i was doing anything wrong...

btw, the car is a '94 Supra... black Supras were not clear coated...

i need to do my camaro next but it has major paint flaws from leaning over the fenders for a year... i'm not sure what would be best for it (ie. do i need some kind of heavy swirl/scratch remover before i even start the zaino process, i'm thinking that if the Z5 won't cover up the small scratches on the supra it doesn't stand a chance with the camaro)...

last question: when applying the Z5 i've been putting it on with a circular motion and then going back over with the front/back up/down motion like Zaino suggests... what i'm not sure of is, when i remove it with the towel, do i need to still do the up/down front/back motion or can i buff it off in a ciruclar motion?

as always, thanks for the help!

 

2 Comments:

1. Try the z5 on your camaro before you use an abrasive product. You will be very very surprised. My camaro had major swirl marks. They were from buffing out some cheap wax with a Walmart t-shirt. As I was putting in the swirls i thought it was just the wax not coming off so I kept pressing harder You can only imagine what that looked like afterwards. I was so embarassed and it looked so bad that I wouldn't even take it out of the garage, let alone drive it until the z5 and Fieldcrest Charisma towels came in. Of course I did all of this before coming to the board for help, and before i learned oh so much about detailing cars. My point being z5 was nothing short of a miracle for me, so I would just give it a try.

2. I NEVER used a circular motion doing anything to my car, well the one exception is the incident above. Just go up and down on the side and go front to back on the hood, roof, spoiler, etc.