an IT person is a person who who specializes in doing all aspects of " IT " . . . . . If you need " IT " taken care of then you would call an " IT " specialist . They go to school for 4 years to leard how to do " IT " better than anybody else . Get IT !! For when your knee deep in "sh IT!"

"MBA" is just like the "NBA" but for monkies !!

 

yes it sounds like you do live under a rock.

An IT person is someone who specializes in Information Technology. From what I gather however, it encompasses fields such as programing, general tech support, consulting, web designing etc.

An MBA stands for Masters in Business Administration. It is usually the next step after a degree for business minded people. Kind of like a PHD for doctors. And I'm not going to explain what a PHD is... U can look it up on the internet

 

thanks

i do know what a phd is

 

I'm willing to bet the job also SUCKS!! My job rocks... I just don't get paid a lot doing it. *shrug* And I don't ever have to take orders. It's the difference between being treated as a disposable employee as opposed to being treated as an adult.

 

If you're relatively young, living at home and finished school, you have NO excuse to pass up work experience. The mere fact that you are working at something IT-related regardless of the pay will positively affect your career in the long-term. How do I know??? Because I went back to school after getting my first degree and came out expecting a $80K+ job right away...but it has taken me almost a year of hard work and low pay to finally establish myself as an IT Consultant. Now I get decent pay and awesome benefits...all due to the fact that I kept on gaining experience, instead of denying jobs due to their low salary.

 

What's with all the bitching? Don't want the job? Don't take it...

 

awe for F*CKS SAKES .. i even WANTED THE JOB .. and i got DENIED

so quit ur bitching

 

As i mentioned, there is little room for growth in the position, so my boss is worried that anyone with lots of experience, or a full degree will get bored fast, and want to either step up (which there is no room for) or leave, which means we have to find someone else, train them and possible repeat...

I think my boss is in a hard place, and he's going to have to accept the possilbity of people growing bored and wanting to leave... Hard to find someone who's willing to do the same routine thing, day in and day out

I know I couldn't do it.

well, perhaps if the cash was right...

i spent 3 months here in bc once i moved here before I found my first IT job... and it pure monkey work... bloody software testing...

They give you a sheet, with a list of things to check, and you do it on software that their programming dept. writes...

I would literally TRY to fall asleep so they would catch me and ask what i was doing, so I could tell them how bored I was... But I suffered it for 3 months until I found my current job...

Take anything Payam, anything they will give you anways, heheh

It really shouldn't be that hard to find an entry level position, but its going to take some time. I know I could of found jobs earlier then 3 months, but like yourself in this case, i got turned down due to being over qualified.

Tell prospective employers that your just outta school, which they see, and that you really just want to start gaining experience. And hope they'll still consider you...

Jobs will come along, without a doubt, you just gotta hang in there... hehe

jeff

 

I think the best person for that job would be someone with no experiance.

If the employer is that worried about not finding the right person they should just train someone capable and willing to learn everything and get them doing the job.

 

If the employer is affaid of loosing people, try paying them more than slave wages!

Andy

 

People who are starting out are very lucky if they get higher than 30's. Starting with high twenty's is normal. Why would I as an employer pay someone more than 30's if they have no experience except for what the prof assigned them for homwork. The degrees/diplomas, etc only means that you know the concepts and understand what they are meant to do. Just because you are an awsome Gran Turismo Driver at the age of 10 doesn't mean you should be making millions as an INdy Car driver.

Real life experience is IMHO WAY more valuable than degrees and diplomas. Entry level jobs like this give you the experience and the credentials to move up the ladder. Andy, if you are fortunate enough to be able to hold off from working a job like this until a better one come along then power to you. That comes across as arrogant and cocky and you would be the last guy I would hire.Personally, if I had a business, I would not even consider hiring someone who isn't willing to get down and dirty. Most companys want people who WANT TO WORK, not go to school, party, and expect big dollars after. That's the reality of it.
ALso, this ain't a personal attack on anyone, it's just my opinion.

 

Very well said man. Experience is the key to moving up the ladder in todays world. Good luck to those who dont understand that.

 

What I'm saying is that after 4 (in some cases higher) years of school, low 20's is VERY low wage considering the amount of work that went into getting to that point. I personally would re think my desire to be working in a profession that doesn't want to pay its employees enough to survive. If you think you can live on your own and pay the bills with low 20's, you can budget better than I can:P.

About experience....What happened to summer jobs or internships??? How about volunteering for a charity org. by providing some free programming on their Data bases? I personally have worked 4 summers of construction in order to get into the business end of that industry.

I just feel sorry for these people that ACTUALLY have skills and they can make a decent wage at what they have been trained to do.

Andy

PS: I’m probably jinxing myself by saying all of this, so I will shut up right now I also didn’t mean to offend anyone here…

 

I think high 20's a year is substancially more then slave wages Especially for a Junior position. (i'm confused where low 20's came from? hehe)

But it still only works out to around 14 bux an hour, which isn't a whole lot...

however, you then factor in benefits, training allowances, sick time, etc... and your upwards of mid 30's a year. Some many not take advantage of benefits, but thats their problem, not the companies.

BUT, you also have to think about what the job is actually worth... Regardless of how good someone is, if the job isn't worth that much, the person isn't going to get that much...

you don't see someone working at mcdonalds for 15 years making 100,000 dollars...

But everyone has to start somewhere... and thats usually at the bottom.

I have converstaions with my fiancee that just graduated from sfu with a degree in Econ, and I keep telling her that she must not EXPECT to come out and get handed some fancy job that pays 40 grand a year. If so, all the better, but don't expect it. Be willing to work crappy jobs at first!

jeff

 

Actually, a good manager could make it into a head office position in less then 10 years and be earning 6 figures after 15. Also McDonalds has a great Profit Sharing program - several of the restaurant head managers I worked with that had 10+ yrs experience had over 250 000 in their profit sharing accounts which grow at approx. 15% annually.

When the job market is tough, sometimes you gotta make sacrifices and accept a less then ideal job. Because when the better jobs become available, the people who made sacrifices and gained experience will snap up the positions much easier then people who sat idle waiting for the perfect opportunity.

I know that with the company I work for, they would rather take someone fresh out of school then someone who has been sitting and waiting for a position they believe to be worthy. But above all, they would take someone with work experience.