out of curiosity i checked on kazza and yup its there under "nick berg".

just unbelievable. i just cant believe some one could do that to another human being. now ive seen some gruesome stuff on there before under "faces of death" but the screaming and the holding of the head is just nuts. and i didnt know that a human head could come off so easily.

i wonder what bush is gonna do now??i think there was a statement abotu bringing al queda to justice, but with the faces covered i dont know if theyll bring any of them to justice. feel sorry for the guys parents.

 

Yeah, I just saw it. It is sickening to know that there are people out there that are so heartless. True savages. Imagine what we don't see.

 

i just kinda wish that it was staged. its just sickening, heartless...

 

When the story of the prisoners being sexually abused first aired a week ago, I said to my wife, "if the Iraqis want USA out of their Country, now all they would have to do is cut off some's head on TV". A few days later it happened.

The incedent with the prisoners has justified the actions of what we now have seen on TV, at least in their minds. Their will be no end to these types of beheadings, and the USA can not stomach this type of violence.

Bush has to exit Iraq, and quickly. He is no match for them. When it comes to scenes like those we have viewed, the Americans are not caloused enough to handle such images, so Bush has to leave Iraq.

Most Americans could not even handle killing a chicken, never mind a sheep or cow, with just a knife. America is too sophisticated, too removed, too sterile,.... to continue in such brutish warfare.

So,... Bush will try and save his *** by handing over the keys of government to the Iraqis..... ASAP!! And who will rule, .... the same guys as before. Just watch,... Sadam, "WILL BE BACK".

He has accomplished absolutely nothing other than he tried to mop up on his father's affairs. His main thrust of going to Iraq was to remove weapons of mass destruction, ... to this date, he has found no such thing. It was all a fabrication...... yet once again.

 

I saw the vid posted on ls1.com but didnt download it . . . . Its something I just dont need to see.

And I disagree , I think this works in Bush's favour as now he has more pissed off Americans/ Canadians/Westerners on his side. What was over the line yesterday is now ok. People like revenge . . . . . me included.

 

Nah, you mean Americans.

 

Just think how common public beheadings, hangings, and burnings at the stake were in the "civilized" western world not even 200 years ago. They were major events that drew thousands of cheering spectators. Makes me glad I didn't live in those ages...

 

That video was sick

Although so were the scenes of the US Army torturing the Iraqi prisoners.....I guess it is just the difference in culture......

They should do that do Sadam and make a video....

 

i watched maybe 30 secs of that video and i almost puked!

how can one have no conscience?

 

You know there has been alot of US bashing in this forum and I always stay out of it. And at first I took a little bit of offense to this statement, but at the same time there is definately some truth to it when the average citizen is "detached" from the violence.

Before all this started I was against this war I was even against the Afganistan thing (why invade a nation for the sins of a few zealouts???) But once US soldiers were commited I'm behind it 100% PERIOD. If Bush were to pull out or Kerry get elected (and I can't STAND Bush) then I WOULD be pissed. If we are going to be arrogant and think we can police the world then we can't go in there half *** and leave it worse then when we started. Do I agree with the police statement no but the time for arguing that point was over once military action was taken.

You know it is funny how everyone is going in fits about Iraqi Prisinors when a terrorist act like this is committed. They say its in response but terrists do that crap for whatever reason suits them. It reminds me of what the exiled Prince of Iran said on CNN.

Something like the hatred is fostered so deep for the US in the middle east that if the US is to do something about it it would have to crush the social structure in that country and slowly build it back. (wether that is right or wrong is not a question this could be argued a reality)

He went on to say the problem is Americans don't understand the concept of war the way the middle east does and if we see women and children dying then we can't stomach it. But for the US to succeed it would have too.

So anyways enough rambling I just don't think ALL Americans are *****'s like you think they are, its just sad that we got ourselves into this mess. Alot of people dying in Iraq are normal people teachers, accountants, merchants, Parents I think that is the problem Americans have and I don't think those considerations should be taken lightly.

As far as Americans not being able to stomach violence, put Bin Laden in the middle of time square and see what happens!

 

Yep they should also do it to that soldier that bombed his own command tent.....At least the Iraqis think they are fighting for there freedom I can respect that. An American thinking he is doing the work of God by commiting murder and treason should not be left alive....

Let me edit this when I say "think fighting for freedom" I mean that if they were to get the US they would be in the same situatian they were before, some Rich idiot would be running the country using the funds to build castles instead of education etc...

 

Hey Wicked;
Thanks for that thoughtful response. I can see you are a thinker. I wouldn’t say that I was bashing the US but rather just making comments of what I have observed and am observing. I would like to think that we can discuss this issue without getting stupid.
Herein lies the problem, the US should not think of itself as the police of the world.
No, I did not say nor do I imply that Americans are pussies, it is just that anyone who might take vengeance against this particular act in like manner, would never gain popular support on the next ballet. The problem lies in the fact that we have a democratic government, so......... no one President can really do what he wants to do or what he should do, he has to keep the four year occurrence in mind. Bush wants to be re-elected, so... he has to do what the majority would deem acceptable. If he was a dictator, I imagine he would lay a nice big fat juicy bomb on some ****ing area and teach them a lesson, DO NOT MESS WITH THE US. After all, they have the technology and the power so that they could rule the world.

 

i dont think the whole western world can handle things like that. not just americans. and typhoon it is the exact opposite now that bush is in he better not leave.

 

That is exactly right wether or not we should have been in there in the first place, now that we are we have a responsiblity and there is no way we can "do right" by everyone. But Iraqis and Americans have bled and it needs to be for something.

If Bush (and again I'm not real fond of the man) doesn't get re-elected I'm afraid we won't fulfill that responsibility and that will be a shamefull day I just hope we finish the job we started and that the next generations of Iraqi people have better living conditions because of it. While I have no problem with a dictatorship the privious dictator was a murderer and a cancer to that country.


And as far as police, I don't think America should have put it upon themselves but at the same time Sadam lost a war and signed a peace treaty with conditions he was not meeting. And this went on for a long time. What good is international law and treaties if they are not enforced? The weapons of Mass dest and "iraqi freedom' was a political media campaign and any American with his head out of his *** knows this. The real reason was Sadam not meeting his agreement with LOSING a war.

I'm a world war II buff as well and there is alot of similiarities that can be made with Sadam and Hitler Germany that is why I think the French situation is so wierd.

ALL that said it should have been done through the United Nations because now the united Nations is nothing and one of the main reasons for world war II was the ineffectivness of the League of Nations or whatever it was back then.

Its all just F'd up.

 

ive heard about it had a few opportunities to download it but im gonna pass on that

that stuff is just too crazy