http://www.hotrod.com/techarticles/50638/

 

Since my cam swap i haven't lost to an ls1. Oh and i bet with the extra money you save over the ls1 equipped cars you can mod your car and eat the ls1 alive. I like the ls1 though. I hate mustangs. and haven't loss to one ever, maybe that's why we battle each other.

 

This thread is stupid! That being said one improvement not mentioned yet is the LS1 comes with a 6.125" length rod. No matter what and engine is called the function is the same. Air in air out. The more air in and out the more power. I know most of you know this and I apolagize for the hooked on phonics analogy.

Actually LT1 makes a better forced induction motor than the LS1. Sure force induction LS1's make a lot of power but they don't make more than force inducted LT1's and the LT1 has a better head bolt pattern for this purpose. When I was at Ed Wrights a couple of years ago he told me he wouldn't even tune and LS1 if it was making more than 6psi because he doesn't want the liability of the car blowing a head gasket. He did tune Rob Raymer's 98 Z with 15 psi but that was an exception. If you talk to Rob he'll tell you himself that he did have issues with the heads stretching and he tried studding the heads down, he tried the iron heads. The last time I talked to him was a while ago and they were waiting on the relatively new AFR LS1 head which they were hoping would fix the problem.

On a different note I haven't dynoed any streetable stroker LS1's that made more power than streetable stroked LT1's. I've heard stories and read articles but I've never seen one personally.

This post has to go it is irritating. This is the LT1 tech forum why didn't you go to the LS1 forum and ask this question. You would have gotten the same responses there as you did here and you wouldn't have made it seem like we have old crap. Rude!

I'm off my soap box now. sigh

Justin

 

Sorry Justin, I didn't think this was going to be such a huge deal. All I wanted to know was the major difference's between the engines. Since I am a die hard LT1 lover, and my friends say that they are so old and outdated. I just wanted to see WHY they were so outdated. I got my answer. I wouldn't trade my LT for LS anyday. It's a real 350, rugged as all hell, and torque out the ***. The LS1 is just a frankestein of a 350. An incredable motor, yes, but still doesn't even remotely rate up to the old school power of the LT1.

Oh yeah, I'm not trying to start anything, didn't mean to **** anybody off. I respect the LT1 brotherhood.

 

I love when guys try to justify not spending more money for a faster starting platform. And It's really funny to me when they start saying "well with the money I saved I can mod and smoke X cars all day". Here is the flaw with the money saved argument. Someone who wanted a C5 corvette bought a LS1 and said "well with the money I saved I can mod my LS1 and beat C5's". And someone with a C5 who really wanted a Z06 is saying "Well with the money I saved I can mod my C5 and beat Z06's. And someone who wanted a SVT Cobra bought a GT and is saying "well with the money I saved I can mod my GT and beat Cobras".

Meanwhile the SVT Cobra and Z06 are modding the hell out of thier cars just because they can and are probably going to smoke most of us no matter what we do. There is a undeniable truth that many of us accept. Unless it's a brand new car with little aftermarket, anyone willing to race at the track or on the street probably has mods also. And another truth that can not be denied is 95% of us (LT1 or LS1) will never get faster then 11's and probably 99% will never get to single digits. which means very few will need forced induction or to run more then a 175 shot of N20.

With the LS2/LS6/LS7 and SVT Cobra out there I can't believe some of you LT1 guys still have a hard on for the LS1. News flash, The LS1 is not the big dog on the block anymore. We are in the same position as you only with newer LS series and the Terminator as our "nemisis".

Personally I could care less if I win or lose to a LT1. The only car I would actually be embarassed to lose to is the Honda Civic. Not the ones tasefully done but the rice mobiles with fart cans, giant wings and more stckers then paint. Hasn't happened yet (knock on wood) but if it did I would probably want to shoot myself

 

All I have to say is...."Jerry, Jerry, Jerry."

 

LT1 camaros look better than those LS1 chrysler sebring camaros , and when you beat an LS1 with a LT1 its like David V.S. Goliath. But when a LS1 kills a LT1 than its no big deal, The car is supposed to win anyways. I agree that we should all get along, but im just tired of these LS1 guys thinking their the best

 

I have an LS1, but i wouldnt knock on an LT1. I like em both. besides, my LT1 and LS1 bretheren and I have other fish to fry without trying to "one-up" each other.

Bottom line is, why cant we all get along and go eat some mustang lunch?

 

[QUOTE=RedDemonZ]Bottom line is, why cant we all get along and go eat some mustang lunch?[/QUOTE

Amen

 

HAHA, i'm out to beat everyone i can!

 

well the way i see it is this,GM started with the TPI in '85 worked well especially for the day that ended in '92 which we had no problems running low 13s with a few bolt-ons and would 60'2.00-1.90 with ease on comp ta's,me and my friends would beat-up on many stangs.93 camaro came out with this new body, new engine design and it made more hpbut less tq none the less this car would run hi 13's on those HARD goodyear GSC'S and since new technology is a good thing more people were moving on to these cars,finding more ways to create more power(tuning)which was much harder to do on the tpi cars.then our buds at GM tinkered once again with the lt1 and created the lt4 that was like the answer to across the board power in it's stock form and with typical bolt-on parts and a tune that motor just became a monster which will give any ls1 a goooood run for the money,however the limited production of the GS96 vette,the few lt4 birds and even the more produced camaro SSlt4 is still far and few betweenthey are the pinnicle of the conventional SBC.GM broadened their horizons yet once again and created this all alum.motor that resembles nothing in the gm performance power plant and it makes this wicked power,the combination of an all alum.engine,the changed firing order,the killlllller head design,the larger factory cam design or possibly the over-all combo that incorperated all 3 of these great EFI wonders,L98,Lt1,Lt4 and created the Ls1/6 yes they have their problems but ALL motors have a problem somewhere and sometime.i feel design team has always given us nice power to add to,i mean look at what FORD(svt) has to do,put a blower on a vehicle to get them to run,they knew that ford parts sucked so they went to MANLEY,GM uses GM parts to make power,what would happen if GM decided to use other manufactuers to make rods,pistons,cranks etc.(for hi-perf. use)......all in all i enjoy the motor designs they have come out with,i left the 3rd gen scene when mine got totalled(not my fault)could not find another as clean,so i bought a 4th gen lt1 car,i love it almost as much as the 3rd gen,the power is good,the tq is lacking (imo)....cornering SUCKS compared to my 3rd gen but hey they make aftermarket parts for that too.you will always get a :thumbsup: from me if you are rollin any year F-BODY...............

 

I don't think either engine is better. They each have their strengths and weaknesses, pick the one that suits you best and have a blast.

 

the heads all the way people here arealmost at 400rwhp with just a cam change and some bolt ons. grant it it is a real aggressive cam but still.

 

I own both an LS and an LT1 and my LT1 is faster at this point in time.

If I modded my 02' Z06 to the same extent, it'd probably be as fast but it would have cost a good deal more to get there.

IMO, once you get past thinking of all the differences and just start making wise mods to your LT1 you'll soon stop worrying about which one is faster. If your goal was to buy your way into "fast" right from the dealership, then you should have looked at a Dodge Viper.

-Mindgame

 

I always thought the guy who crossed the finishline first wins. Didn't matter what he was driving.