Good job!

 

Did you just give yourself props???

I think that Frank (12SCNDZ) has some room to brag. His car is putting down some VERY good numbers with those MAC headers. He's trying to make a point, that you don't NEED LT's to go fast. If you want another example, try me.

I'm running ASM headers, a Random Tech Cat, and with a 224/230 put down 375/363 at the wheels, through the cat, and there's power left in tuning.

As far as I know, NO ONE has dynoed a 224/230 and ported head combo that high yet, long tubes or not.

Proof enough???

This debate could go forever. Whoever is shopping for headers, take what you will from this. Make an educated purchase, not just a word of mouth purchase. Research what you're going to buy, and don't rush into it.

 

Maybe a little of it is "bragging", but what it also is is FACT! I give people on here suggestions based on FACTS!
The original post asked if it was worth it to switch from shorties to LT's., right? We've also seen many posts from people who have switched and made no difference in their HP or times. If you read the posts from the ones that have, they're also the ones that made other mods at the same time.

If I'm going to drop $500-$700 on something for my car, it had better make it run quicker!...Not to mention the time it takes to swap, and the fact that you're making the car non emissions legal.
Yea, I run through an off road pipe, instead of a cat, but I can bolt my cat back on in a matter of a few minutes to take the car through emissions. Can ANYONE do that with LT's? All my AIR tubes and EGR are still bolted to the engine.

Yea, I'm going to get really defensive when people on here tell me I'm doing something wrong when their running slower than I am!

Why do I keep stating the 12.0's? Because it's PROOF that you don't need LTs to run quick! The reason it may make you sick is because your long tube equipped cars are slower and you just can't handle that. Yes, there are LT equipped cars that are quicker than me...I never claimed to be the quickest. Compare apples to apples, though...How many 95,000 mile stock bottom end cam/head cars are running 12.0's at full weight?...LT equipped or not....

Remember, this is a FACT based forum! If someone asks you if a wheel choice looks good, or a paint color is OK, then it's alright to base you thoughts on OPINION. If someone asks if a performance modification works, let's base it on performance numbers. BTW...SOTP doesn't mean crap when the race is over!

Frank

 

My last post on this subject...

Let's say he does get 15rwhp and 15ft-lbs over shorties across the whole rpm range (which is at best and prolly not going to happen), that $700 he just spent only got him .2 off his ET. What a fscking waste of $700. That's more than 4.10's, and a 150shot (easy 1.5-1.7second drop in ET). the 150shot goes for $400 used, and 4.10s new for $150, then have $150 to pick up a set of used dr's.

So no, it's not worth it. Sorry 93, but I don't think you spent your money wisely. Even if you do gain 15hp, which you wont, the guy who just beat you buy 2 carlengths is still going to beat you.

 

Used long tubes...$400 easily...worth it over shorties? Yes definitely...of course if you buy new youll pay more...got my TPiS LT's for $450 shipped....easily $800 brand new...

Sell your shorties and pay a couple extra bucks for long tubes...the tough part with the install would have already been taken care of with removing the stock manifolds and Y pipe...

I dont recall this being the mids -vs- long tube thread...its the "is it worth upgrading to LT's over shorties" and the answer is yes...

 

Are you delibretly trying to make me feel bad? Cause it's starting to work. A lot you guys are making it seem like LT's are a total waste of my hard earned money. This after I just put in an order for them.

Oh well, whan can I do

Oh, and for the record, I already have Nitrouse Oxide and the 3.73's, the ported/polished heads, the bigger valves, the Hot cam and all the other bolt ons all riding on a pair of daily driven 26x11.5MT/ET streets . LT's just seemed to be the next logical upgrade. Maybe I'm wrong. I hope not.

Ps. I've NEVER been beat by 2 car length's before, and if I ever was, it would have to be by a car with a SH*T load more mods than me. Far more than $700 in mods that I (wasted?) on the LT's for my Formula.

 

Didn't know you had nitrous and gears already, i love nitrous. In reality you will probably gain some hp and a good amount of torque especially down low, and since you already have everything else, squeezing out an extra 5-15hp for $700 is about all you can do. I guess the only thing you can really do after the LT's is get forged rods/crank and up your spray to 250 or so. I wish my car was as fast as yours is going to be.

 

Well I guess you're finally right about something! If you're going to waste your money on something that doesn't make your car any quicker, it's better that you only waste $400 for used parts rather than waste $800 for new stuff.

Frank

 

Look..can people make power with shorties..of course. Are long tubes better than shorties...OF COURSE. I have seen TOO many cars pick up several tenths from going from shorties to lts. You usually don't see much gains with stock heads...but with headwork and a lumpy cam the diffrence is substantial. I put my edelbrocks back on the new motor I built with ported heads and cc306 and wasn't too impressed. When I went to long tubes I gained over half a second. Edelbrocks have two 1 5/8 primaries and two 1 1/2 primaries....without being to rude let me just say....THEY SUCK. 1 5/8 mid lengths do seem to flow better up top than 1 5/8 long tubes,but if you notice most longtubes are 1 3/4 inch. A big diffrence. All you people running low 12s with shorties ...good job. Now get some longtubes and go 11s. For all the people still saying "shorties...till death do us" thats fine. I hope when you die they grant your last wish of being buried with them. That will be one less pair of sh**ty headers in circulation for someone else to buy.

 

I see where your username comes from. . .

I agree, but I tried to state it more, ummm, eloquently.

Mike

 

this is too long for me to read... but to answer the original question...

For me it was worth it..
I went from SLP shorties w/stock ypipe to Jet hot long tubes with custom crimped dual high flow cat ypipe..

I gained 2 mph in the quarter on a hotter day, no more slp header burning the heater hose, much easier plug access, and lighter... felt like 5 less lbs each.. plus the stock y pipe was really heavy too...

sold my slps for 300 bucks i think... spent 720 on the jet hots and ypipe with cats..

So for me it was worth it.

 

What times and traps are you running with your setup?

Dan

 

Nah you didn't waste your money on the LT's. I'am so glad I put them on my car, because if felt like such a difference. Just ignore all those guys out there with smaller *ahem* waste management tools

 

im only curious about one thing through all this rubbish, stock motored here and plan to stay it for a while, prices and what not aside which would benfit me more, hooker LTs or macs, i dont care about how low they hang, looks, price etc., i just want to hear about the performance

 

hey haskin z28, If you race your car very often at a track then I would suggest the long tubes because you will get more low end torque, which gives you a better et. Just install is kind of difficult but very doable.